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re: How many colleges and universities will drop athletics altogether?

Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6816 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:19 pm to
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Life is not equal. I was a poor arse walkon. I had nothing but love for my scholarship teammates.


I understand life isn't equal. I guess I am just going to bow out of the conversation at this point. Let them all get paid.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:24 pm to
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So that certain teams can't spend 10x as much money as other ones and theoretically win every season. Doesn't really have anything to do with how much each player makes.



Ask the Dodgers or the Yankees.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:28 pm to
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You can hide from it, pretend it didn't happen, and run like Forest Gump but it won't change the fact college football is now Pro Football and players expect to be paid and will shop around until they get what they want - and that won't be at UAB.




UAB may be one of the non-P5 schools that survives. A lot of UAB Grads have big money and the School recognizes the worth of the program for PR purposes.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 4:25 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:30 pm to
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Ask the Dodgers or the Yankees.


That's why I said theoretically. The Luxury Tax keeps them below an even higher threshold many of them would (or would have in the past decade) spend. The Dodgers would absolutely spend another $50-100M a year on payroll if it wasn't taxed at the rate the Luxury Tax reaches.

And even with that, the high spending teams that also have good systems still almost always win the World Series

2020 - Dodgers (2nd)
2019 - Nationals (7th)
2018 - Red Sox (1st)
2017 - Astros (18th)
2016 - Cubs (14th)
2015 - Royals (16th)
2014 - Giants (7th)
2013 - Red Sox (4th)
2012 - Giants (8th)
2011 - Cardinals (11th)
2010 - Giants (10th)
2009 - Yankees (1st)
2008 - Phillies (12th)
2007 - Red Sox (2nd)
2006 - Cardinals (11th)

I'm pretty sure all of these teams other than the Royals were Top 1/3 in payroll. New age analytics and the luxury tax in baseball have made having money even more of an advantage than the 90s and 2000s when teams just wildly and stupidly spent money. It made teams actually pay attention to what they were spending on as opposed to just wildly spending like drunken sailors.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:28 pm to
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That's why I said theoretically. The Luxury Tax keeps them below an even higher threshold many of them would (or would have in the past decade) spend. The Dodgers would absolutely spend another $50-100M a year on payroll if it wasn't taxed at the rate the Luxury Tax reaches.

And even with that, the high spending teams that also have good systems still almost always win the World Series



Better correlation would be the top spending teams in each league and where they finished on the year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:30 pm to
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Better correlation would be the top spending teams in each league and where they finished on the year.



As with football recruiting, there are outliers, but if you spend the most money in free agency, international season and development then more times than not you are in the postseason or competing for it.

Doesn't mean you can't be good and spend less (Rays), but your odds are much worse.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13164 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:53 pm to
Yep, the poor will be even poorer in terms of talent.
As for UGA, we could drop everything but football, golf and tennis and not many would care.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 7:06 pm to
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As with football recruiting, there are outliers, but if you spend the most money in free agency, international season and development then more times than not you are in the postseason or competing for it.

Doesn't mean you can't be good and spend less (Rays), but your odds are much worse.




Not what I am saying. Spending money doesn't correlate to being GOOD. Dodgers spend as much as any team the last 30 years and up to last season had nothing to show for it (I am a Dodger fan). It still comes down to developing players and have a system that allows for success. What you are saying is if you spend the money you will get to a Bowl in CF. I say if you hire the right coach and develop players it can be the great equalizer at that level .
Posted by BamaSaint
Mobile, Al
Member since Mar 2013
2960 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 8:01 pm to
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But once schools start letting a few players capitalize on their own self then they aren't and that will ultimately lead to fractured locker rooms.

Every single player in the locker room will be able to capitalize on their NIL. The school isn't "letting a few players capitalize". Tuscaloosa Toyota thinks Bryce Young would be a better spokesperson for their product than the walk on from Mobile or the 3rd string right guard on scholarship, that's TT's choice, not the schools.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 8:04 pm
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13624 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:05 pm to
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Schools like Troy and Jacksonville State will never be able to compete with the big money schools. How many will fold up?


They haven’t been competing before.
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