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re: How is TM7 not first team all-american?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I've also seen them argue that the special teams stats don't (or shouldn't) count.
In regards to being selected to a All Defense team, that is correct.
PP21 won't be an All Pro CB this year, but he'll be an All Pro Returner...
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Well they don't for first team CB. There's a separate category for first team punt returner, etc.
I've also seen them argue that the special teams stats don't (or shouldn't) count.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:56 pm to dapado33
So forced fumbles and fumble recoveries dont count either?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:56 pm to Woopigsooie20
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Who picked the teams? Tim Watts and Andrew Bone?
This
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:56 pm to coloradoBengal
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To be fair, he's not a blanket cover like PP, but he's completely redefining the position of "Ball Hawk". He's an immeasurable freak. There is no traditional slot or mold you can put him in.
Thank you.
Which was my point when I said he wasn't an elite DB. He's a GREAT player, but that isn't a category.
Also, no I never said Menzie should or shouldn't have gotten in.
I did say you can't judge DB's by stats though. The shittier a DB is, the more opportunity he'll have to rack up stats.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:57 pm to dapado33
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There's a separate category for first team punt returner, etc.
Not exactly. There's that goofy "all purpose" position, though.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:58 pm to Clemens
Honestly, I was a bit surprised to see Menzie make it because I never really remember hearing his name called besides the pick 6 against Arky. However, that's a great thing because that means teams just didn't really go after him.
I think Mathieu should have gotten in somewhere. but, it's hard to give it to him at CB though because he's such a wildcard. He doesn't really have a pure position, he's just a ballhawk.
I think Mathieu should have gotten in somewhere. but, it's hard to give it to him at CB though because he's such a wildcard. He doesn't really have a pure position, he's just a ballhawk.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:58 pm to Kingpin
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I think that bastard Nick Saban screwed him by voting him 4th team.
Yep.
I'm not mad. Mathieu is going to use this as motivation. He might cheap shot your whole team.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:59 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Not exactly. There's that goofy "all purpose" position, though.
Not saying I want to see it, nor that he could do it for the whole game... but Mathieu could play both sides of the ball and be a serious impact player on either side.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:59 pm to coloradoBengal
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To be fair, he's not a blanket cover like PP
Don't think anybody thinks he is. Just wondering if he should be considered an All-American CB, which does not require one to be a shut down corner, but considers tackling, sacks, forced fumbles, interceptions, fumble recoveries, etc.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:59 pm to Teague
Personally I would have put hayward in over Mathieu and especially over Menzie
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to Teague
Ed Reed and Troy Palumalu are not elite cover guys. Why are they given post season awards?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to coloradoBengal
To be fair, he's not a blanket cover like PP, but he's completely redefining the position of "Ball Hawk". He's an immeasurable freak. There is no traditional slot or mold you can put him in.
Bingo. That's all some Bama fans said in the other thread. But, to some of the LSU fans, this equated to "TM7 sucks".
Bingo. That's all some Bama fans said in the other thread. But, to some of the LSU fans, this equated to "TM7 sucks".
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to memphisplaya
I kinda want JJ to "overthrow" the ball and hit Saban in the head... It would be an awesome gif
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to coloradoBengal
Mathieu is not an elite cover corner but the way he impacts games when on the field makes it a moot point, he'll get it next year
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Yeah, I think that's dumb too. I guess they didn't want to have to differentiate between kickoff and punt returners.
Not exactly. There's that goofy "all purpose" position, though.
ETA: Or does that cover all of special teams except punters and kickers?
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:00 pm to eric4UA08
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He doesn't really have a pure position, he's just a ballhawk.
I'm petitioning to force AFCA to create a "Badass" position on their teams next year. Although they'll have to get rid of it once TM7 graduates...
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:01 pm to Choupique19
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Ed Reed and Troy Palumalu are not elite cover guys. Why are they given post season awards?
They didnt play at Bama.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:01 pm to Teague
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Which was my point when I said he wasn't an elite DB. He's a GREAT player, but that isn't a category.
To be honest, your argument is more "he is not an elite cover corner". However, trying to argue he is not an elite DB is very different and quite impossible to actually do.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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I'm petitioning to force AFCA to create a "Badass" position on their teams next year. Although they'll have to get rid of it once TM7 graduates...
"Which trophy is yours?"
"The one that says Bad Motherfricker on it."
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