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re: How do you think Brent Venables is going to fair as a head coach at OU?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:07 pm to jbraua
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:07 pm to jbraua
I laugh at some of the replies, a few made good points.
This is not your typical coach getting hired in, which most fail to realize. A coach needs support from admin and boosters and fans and alumni. Brent coached here and won a title. He has as solid a foundation as possible. Just as important he went to another program and helped them win a few titles.
And who will be first to say he was fired and left (suprised no one spammed the thread with that fake news already). The year prior to Brent leaving he lost Austin Box (player) and his older brother within 24 hours. Both took a hige toll on Brent and he wanted to get a fresh start. But the uneducated here constantly get the facts wrong. Bob brought in Mike kn an advisary role but Brent was still DC. The deaths were biggest reason he left, Austin overdosed and Brent took it personally.
To treat Brent like just another DC hired as HC is very misguided but seems to be the theme here. I could go on and on but the sesson is upon us and actual results on the field will tell the tale.
Good topic though, there are so many varying opinions on him. I will say, OU has a great history of success hiring DC’s. Bob Stoops was one too, winning a title at Florida before winning one at OU. OU has 4 coaches with 100+ wins (only school in country) and all were assistants prior.
This is not your typical coach getting hired in, which most fail to realize. A coach needs support from admin and boosters and fans and alumni. Brent coached here and won a title. He has as solid a foundation as possible. Just as important he went to another program and helped them win a few titles.
And who will be first to say he was fired and left (suprised no one spammed the thread with that fake news already). The year prior to Brent leaving he lost Austin Box (player) and his older brother within 24 hours. Both took a hige toll on Brent and he wanted to get a fresh start. But the uneducated here constantly get the facts wrong. Bob brought in Mike kn an advisary role but Brent was still DC. The deaths were biggest reason he left, Austin overdosed and Brent took it personally.
To treat Brent like just another DC hired as HC is very misguided but seems to be the theme here. I could go on and on but the sesson is upon us and actual results on the field will tell the tale.
Good topic though, there are so many varying opinions on him. I will say, OU has a great history of success hiring DC’s. Bob Stoops was one too, winning a title at Florida before winning one at OU. OU has 4 coaches with 100+ wins (only school in country) and all were assistants prior.
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:12 pm to OU Guy
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And who will be first to say he was fired and left
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OU Guy
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:13 pm to omrebelfan20
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“Changed the culture”
Let’s pretend like for a second that term isn’t fricking retarded.
You’re not “changing a culture” in 6 months.
And the change could be for the worse. No way to really know for a while.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:15 pm to Springlake Tiger
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Just bc u r an elite X’s and O’s guy on one side of the ball, it doesn’t make u a head coach.
True. In fact we just learned that lesson.
BV has learned from 3 HoF coaches but still, we can say BV is an experiment. All of OU's most successful coaches became HC with no HC experience. And Brent's completely changed the culture, for the better. So I am excited to see the product on the field, though I remain cautiously optimistic. I am not expecting a well-oiled machine this year. Time will tell.
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You’re not “changing a culture” in 6 months.
When the previous regime was prohibiting contact in practice to protect offensive players, and running Billy Blanks-inspired workouts.. it wasn't that tough to change
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:28 pm to Naked Bootleg
OU is recruiting a top 2 class this year above UGA and if Venables is even slightly successful he will pull top 3 classes regularly. OU playing defense with Venables recruiting pedigree is a scary thought for everyone including bama and UGA. Admit it or don’t it changes nothing. OU will win the sec in stride with bama UGA and LSU.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:43 pm to jbraua
The biggest question is of course how BV will transition to HC. We have zero data points for game day, but what we've seen in the off-season has been very encouraging.
Considering the circumstances, recruiting has been insanely good so far. Lincoln trashed our '22 class on the way out the door, but the new staff was able to recover and actually improve it to finish at #8 with very little time to work with. That's better than all but one of Riley's classes.
The '23 class currently sits at #4 and could easily finish top 3, but there's a ways to go. We'll see.
S&C has noticeably improved with the return of Jerry Schmidt. No more CrossFit horseshite...thank goodness. We were increasingly getting pushed around the last few years.
By all accounts, the locker room vibe was toxic last year. That's done a 180 since the coaching change from what I'm hearing, but I'm not there.
I'm cautoiusly optimistic. Brent runs a fairly complicated defense, so it could take a while before the guys catch on well enough to make a noticeable improvement. Plus he'll need to keep recruiting that side of the ball at a much higher level. So far, so good.
The general consensus is that Gabriel at QB will have to stay healthy for this season to go well. Long term, Lebby will get his guys at the position if he stays a few years.
Someone from the outside might think OU fans are crazy to think we might even improve on offense, but Riley got conservative every 3rd quarter while opponents adjusted and ate away our lead. Then the 4th quarter became a shootout. It was so disgustingly predictable.
I feel better about the future of the team than I would have of Riley had stayed. I'm sure part of that is just the fan in me, but even when I try to check myself and be a realist, everything I'm seeing looks like an improvement.
Considering the circumstances, recruiting has been insanely good so far. Lincoln trashed our '22 class on the way out the door, but the new staff was able to recover and actually improve it to finish at #8 with very little time to work with. That's better than all but one of Riley's classes.
The '23 class currently sits at #4 and could easily finish top 3, but there's a ways to go. We'll see.
S&C has noticeably improved with the return of Jerry Schmidt. No more CrossFit horseshite...thank goodness. We were increasingly getting pushed around the last few years.
By all accounts, the locker room vibe was toxic last year. That's done a 180 since the coaching change from what I'm hearing, but I'm not there.
I'm cautoiusly optimistic. Brent runs a fairly complicated defense, so it could take a while before the guys catch on well enough to make a noticeable improvement. Plus he'll need to keep recruiting that side of the ball at a much higher level. So far, so good.
The general consensus is that Gabriel at QB will have to stay healthy for this season to go well. Long term, Lebby will get his guys at the position if he stays a few years.
Someone from the outside might think OU fans are crazy to think we might even improve on offense, but Riley got conservative every 3rd quarter while opponents adjusted and ate away our lead. Then the 4th quarter became a shootout. It was so disgustingly predictable.
I feel better about the future of the team than I would have of Riley had stayed. I'm sure part of that is just the fan in me, but even when I try to check myself and be a realist, everything I'm seeing looks like an improvement.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:44 pm to jbraua
He's an a-hole who will run off good coaches eventually. Their transition to the SEC will be just like A&M. Texas will be even worse though.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:44 pm to jbraua
He and his entire staff will be a big upgrade from Riley. They already are.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:46 pm to GeauxNewUser
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Defense will improve in a league where there is no defense.
Baylor and Okie State were #9 and #10 last year in scoring defense. By all means, stick to your silly old narratives.
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Offense falls off.
This isn't happening at all.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:49 pm to omrebelfan20
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You’re not “changing a culture” in 6 months.
Nonsense. It's easy to change a culture in 6 months with an all new staff and a team that wasn't bought into the previous culture at all.
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You traded a good head coach for a career coordinator
Just like we did with Riley.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:55 pm to Naked Bootleg
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All of OU's most successful coaches became HC with no HC experience.
I've explained this over and over again here because our entire history as a program was built by HCs that had no HC experience, but they just don't get it.
It doesn't even occur to them that not once in their lives have they ever heard Oklahoma's name mentioned in a national HC search involving established HCs elsewhere.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:19 pm to Fancy Boots
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The rest of the conference is the exact same as the majority of the big 12. No difference when it comes to defense
You have a short memory. You really don't remember last year when arky manhandled you?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:30 pm to CharlotteSooner
There was that once coach in 1995 who had previous head coaching experience and was very good. I’m still unsure of what we got in 1995.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 1:57 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:01 pm to jbraua
A guy who built his reputation on his ability to steal an opposing teams offensive signals, a practice most have picked up on? Not that great
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:48 pm to Pisco
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I don’t think OU will hit rock bottom, but they’ll average 3 losses a year.
This. OU and even UT can rise up and beat a lot of people on any given Saturday, but they've never had to bring it every week like you have to do in the SEC. They also haven't experienced the kind of cumulative physical impact that playing an SEC schedule schedule can have on a team.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:49 pm to GeauxNewUser
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You really don't remember last year when arky manhandled you?
Kansas manhandled us too. Whats your point? I'm sick of the mid and low tier SEC schools thinking they are hot shite because of Bama and UGA. You are no different than any other team in the Power 5.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:52 pm to jbraua
OU still has a significant talent advantage over all of their opponents except for Texas (and that includes their marquee OOC game Nebraska).
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:54 pm to jbraua
On paper, a Venables led defense coupled with a Lebby led offense seems like a strong combo. That being said, Venables lack of HC experience makes it harder to predict.
Ultimately I think he'll do well, but how successful that ends up being in the SEC is hard to gauge.
Ultimately I think he'll do well, but how successful that ends up being in the SEC is hard to gauge.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:43 pm to jbraua
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nd the change could be for the worse. No way to really know for a while.
Again for outsiders who don’t keep up with OU and set her and speculate it does r really matter . We have heard the coaches players support staff ex players talk about what is going on thru countless interviews all offseason. We know in 6 months more good things have happened to OU and accountability is one of them . The college football world will see soon. I ageee that culture is used way to much when a new coach takes over …. a lot of time it’s lips service … it’s not the case when everyone you talk to say it’s not . Believe what you will but deep down I know your butts puckering at the thought Venables might be the best thing that’s happened to OU since Stoops was hired .
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