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re: Honestly, Bama loss is looking worse and worse.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:48 pm to easy money
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:48 pm to easy money
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At this point, there is enough objective information out there to make a fair comparison of where they stand. To claim that a loss at home to Ole Miss is better than being undefeated or losing to the #1 team in the nation doesn't seem to stack up. The eyeball test is how we are doing this thing though, so that's fine. I don't think it really matters because I believe Bama would make their way to the playoff anyway and always thought that to be the cas
Since your sole criterion for quality of wins revolves around the principle that a top team that loses doesn't qualify as a top team, you should be arguing that Clemson's win over ND means ND wasn't a great team.
Sorry for hammering you on the logic problems with your assertions, but you have so many of them that it really feels like you have an ulterior motive in making them. You wouldn't happen to be unhappy about something, would you?
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Don't you get it? Bama lost to #2 Bama, not unranked Ole Miss. So Notre Dame's loss to #1 Clemson (who they outplayed), is pretty much equal to Bama's loss to themselves.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:53 pm to DaleDenton
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soft schedule like OSU
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Soft schedule like Baylor
FIFY- I hope you realize that the Buckeyes' SOS is 54th and Baylor's is like 98th. GTFO with that weak shite.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:55 pm to randomways
That has never been said. My argument is that the Ole Miss loss is worse than it is being analyzed and Bama is reaping benefits for it. Your statement about ND not being a great team makes no sense. ND's loss is more valuable than Bama's because they played well, they had a real chance to win, and Clemson is viewed as a better team than Ole Miss by everyone in the nation.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:56 pm to piggilicious
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Is this going to be an every Tuesday night thing with you LSU fans?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 9:57 pm to Taurus 357
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Buckeyes' SOS is 54th
Impressive
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:06 pm to East Coast Band
I don't really believe Florida should be, but their resume' stacks up with Bama's up to this point. I don't believe the transitive property can be applied in college football because teams stack up differently. We don't have to really worry about how Bama and Florida should be ranked because they will likely face off. A Bama win over Miss State will be their 2nd best win. My top 10 would look like this as of now:
Clemson
Ohio State
Okie State
Notre Dame
Alabama
Baylor
Iowa
Stanford
LSU
Florida
Okie State, Oklahoma, TCU, and Baylor are all about to go through the gauntlet. If any of them stays undefeated, they're in. If Ohio State stays undefeated, they're in. If Clemson stays undefeated, they're in. If it comes down to a Notre Dame team and a Bama team for a last spot, style points will matter, but Bama is in the SEC and will have a chance to have an additional win and would be in. All of those scenarios will not likely happen and Bama should be in comfortably.
Clemson
Ohio State
Okie State
Notre Dame
Alabama
Baylor
Iowa
Stanford
LSU
Florida
Okie State, Oklahoma, TCU, and Baylor are all about to go through the gauntlet. If any of them stays undefeated, they're in. If Ohio State stays undefeated, they're in. If Clemson stays undefeated, they're in. If it comes down to a Notre Dame team and a Bama team for a last spot, style points will matter, but Bama is in the SEC and will have a chance to have an additional win and would be in. All of those scenarios will not likely happen and Bama should be in comfortably.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:10 pm to easy money
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then isn't it feasible that a 2 loss Bama could be viewed as stronger than a 1 loss Ohio State, Okie State, Iowa, Baylor, or 2 loss Notre Dame?
A 2 loss LSU was viewed as stronger than an undefeated Hawaii and a one loss Kansas.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:10 pm to BrerTiger
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A 2 loss LSU was viewed as stronger than an undefeated Hawaii and a one loss Kansas.
That seems like forever ago.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:14 pm to BrerTiger
In a system that was flawed because of subjective input. LSU had 2 losses in overtime, but also had more quality wins than both of the others. That was really controversial.
Bama's best win is against LSU and 2nd best win in the regular season would be Miss State. The SEC has the respect they deserve after many years, it's a nice luxury to have. It's playing a huge factor in the rankings.
Bama's best win is against LSU and 2nd best win in the regular season would be Miss State. The SEC has the respect they deserve after many years, it's a nice luxury to have. It's playing a huge factor in the rankings.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:18 pm to easy money
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That has never been said. My argument is that the Ole Miss loss is worse than it is being analyzed and Bama is reaping benefits for it. Your statement about ND not being a great team makes no sense. ND's loss is more valuable than Bama's because they played well, they had a real chance to win, and Clemson is viewed as a better team than Ole Miss by everyone in the nation.
It has been said, though. By me. It's a natural correlation to what you said. You're arguing that ND's loss is more impressive because they lost to a top team and actually played better than said team, an argument that required you to devalue Bama's win over LSU in order to ensure that you could argue that ND is more deserving than Bama. In the process, you imply a logically-tenuous syllogism since the only evidence that LSU isn't as good as advertised is their loss to Bama despite LSU's two wins over top 20 teams (defeating, incidentally, the other team you name in your OP, Florida.) In either case, Bama's SOS is higher than either ND's or UF's, while possessing the same record and a better win than either of them. Bama didn't outplay a top 5 opponent and lose (and you haven't even proven the 'outplay' part of your claim.) They outplayed a top 5 opponent and thumped them.
I do hope you can understand why you're not convincing many people that your feelings on the matter are particularly logical.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:19 pm to easy money
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In a system that was flawed because of subjective input.
When has the selection process not been based on subjective input?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:20 pm to BrerTiger
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When has the selection process not been based on subjective input?
When pro sports added a playoff.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:28 pm to easy money
Things that are looking worse than Bama's loss to Ole Miss:
LSU's offense
LSU's defense
LSU's chances of beating Arky
LSU's offense
LSU's defense
LSU's chances of beating Arky
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:30 pm to easy money
I swear.. I suppose some folks watched a different game than I did on Sat. If anyone actually thinks LSU deserves to be ranked any higher than they are you need to remove your purple and gold glasses. LSU was beat like a drum for 60 minutes and the team looked totally uninspired. I believe they should be ranked lower than they are now.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:31 pm to Pac10bites
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team looked totally uninspired
I've been told this only occurs post bama loss for L5U?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:32 pm to easy money
The 1st rule of the new college playoff system? Lose early
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:34 pm to MaroonNation
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The 1st rule of the new college playoff system? Lose early
That was the rule under the old system too...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:36 pm to randomways
The LSU win has value now. We'll see if that holds up. The Ole Miss loss had value then, and has less now. Bama's SOS will get worse as others get better. Notre Dame's SOS is a bit worse than Bama's, but they still plays top 7 Standford. I think the win over LSU does have solid value and that is why I think Bama now deserves to be ranked in the top 6 somewhere. It's hard to argue that the perception of Ole Miss is drastically changing as they have lost 3 times since they beat Alabama.
There is no concern. Bama will have enough quality on their schedule to justify a spot if they win out. That's unquestioned. I'm just saying the loss to Ole Miss should not carry as much weight as it has been. To compare just the losses of ND and Bama is not the whole picture, agreed. If we agree Clemson is the top team, we know ND stacks up fairly against them. How does LSU stack up, Ole Miss, Alabama? We have no way of knowing that. It's a flawed system. Quality losses will hold more weight in the end.
There is no concern. Bama will have enough quality on their schedule to justify a spot if they win out. That's unquestioned. I'm just saying the loss to Ole Miss should not carry as much weight as it has been. To compare just the losses of ND and Bama is not the whole picture, agreed. If we agree Clemson is the top team, we know ND stacks up fairly against them. How does LSU stack up, Ole Miss, Alabama? We have no way of knowing that. It's a flawed system. Quality losses will hold more weight in the end.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:38 pm to easy money
Let the butthurt flow
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