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re: Honestly, Bama loss is looking worse and worse.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:00 pm to randomways
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:00 pm to randomways
Bama holds the most valuable win besides Clemson. They also hold the worst loss out of any team in the current top 11.
Logic is really measured on how you value SOS, respective wins and losses. There are many factors. And using any type of logic still has a gap in that we cannot directly tie cross conference opponents. Everyone's logic is different. My value of Clemson, LSU, Ole Miss, TCU, etc. determines my reasoning. It's different than yours. That does not make it illogical. I am devaluing LSU based on the way they have played. You have them valued differently. If we had a way to consistently measure those opinions, then we would have a logical system. That's impossible. SOS is one measureables factor that does favor Bama and probably will continue to favor them. That is why I think they will be ranked high. I just don't think they deserve it yet.
Logic is really measured on how you value SOS, respective wins and losses. There are many factors. And using any type of logic still has a gap in that we cannot directly tie cross conference opponents. Everyone's logic is different. My value of Clemson, LSU, Ole Miss, TCU, etc. determines my reasoning. It's different than yours. That does not make it illogical. I am devaluing LSU based on the way they have played. You have them valued differently. If we had a way to consistently measure those opinions, then we would have a logical system. That's impossible. SOS is one measureables factor that does favor Bama and probably will continue to favor them. That is why I think they will be ranked high. I just don't think they deserve it yet.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:03 pm to Iron Lion
No butthurt. I think Bama is really good and have a great chance to win the national championship. There is no part of any of this where I say Bama won't be worthy....they just don't deserve it yet. They have the path to do so and I would bank on them doing so.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:09 pm to easy money
ND skips a conference title game yet gets a pass for winning one less game than anyone else.
Ask Brian Kelly if he REALLY wants to play Alabama. He knows what would happen.
Ask Brian Kelly if he REALLY wants to play Alabama. He knows what would happen.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:27 pm to easy money
In 2007 LSU had 2 losses, to Arkansas and KENTUCKY, and yet they got the benefit of the doubt over a bunch of other 1 loss teams.
Why?
Because people knew they were better, that's why.
Why?
Because people knew they were better, that's why.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:28 pm to MaroonNation
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The 1st rule of the new college playoff system? Lose early
that's been the rule of college football for a long time.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:34 pm to Calvin Candie
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These people are not good at predictions.
I'm 7-1 on my LSU predictions this year. Not too bad.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:35 pm to IAmReality
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2007 LSU had 2 losses, to Arkansas and KENTUCKY, and yet they got the benefit of the doubt over a bunch of other 1 loss teams.
No they didn't. If there was a playoff, 3 2 loss teams would have been in. Plus it was bcs rankings. The rankings that should be used to determine the playoff.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:52 pm to dgnx6
I thought it was only two weeks ago that bama had to score late to beat UT at home. Guess 1 good win makes everything else irrelevant. Outside of LSU- who has bama beaten?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:53 pm to easy money
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Notre Dame's SOS is a bit worse than Bama's, but they still plays top 7 Standford.
And if they win Stanford will no longer be the #7 team in the country, therefore de-valuing ND's SOS.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:55 pm to AUX3
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AUX3
This a conversation about championship contenders. You don't belong.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:22 am to TideSaint
LSU and Alabama are yet to play a common opponent...that's pretty crazy. Alabama's true SOS will show as we find just how much value LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss. A&M, and Auburn have. SOS will be devaluing for most teams as the season goes on. ND really won't be a concern as it boils down because of the conference championship game that Bama can potentially play in. As of now, they should be measured pretty closely though.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:39 am to DaleDenton
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So you are crying because if LSU can't be in it, then Bama shouldn't be in it?
Have you stopped to consider that Bama is just better than LSU?
This is not what I'm doing. If you are a real Baylor fan you should actually support the idea that Bama's loss was a worse loss than anyone else in the top 10. I don't need to stop to consider if Bama is better, it's a fact that I understand. I have also stated that Bama has the chance to earn the right to be in the top 4 and I believe they will. That's all they will need to do to prove they are the best and I believe they will have that opportunity.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:49 am to easy money
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Your statement about ND not being a great team makes no sense. ND's loss is more valuable than Bama's because they played well, they had a real chance to win, and Clemson is viewed as a better team than Ole Miss by everyone in the nation.
This is great and all, but as we were told in 2011 when your fanbase was scared to death to see Alabama again, quality wins outweigh everything when you're talking about two 1 loss teams. Remember how Bama hadn't beaten anyone worth a shite in 2011, so Oklahoma state deserved to go to the championship even though they lost to a 7-6 cellar dweller?
So I say that to ask you this, who has more impressive victories this season? Alabama, or anyone else in the country?
It's all about the resume right? What are the best 4 teams ND has beaten, now compare them to the best 4 teams Alabama has beaten. Hell, name any team with more impressive victories than Alabama. I'll wait
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 12:52 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:52 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Okie State has an equally impressive win to Bama's and no losses. LSU has a chance to prove their worth and they may do so. As of now, Bama has one good win and the only team with a better one is Clemson. However, Bama has a loss and a poor one at that.
Who gains value in the LSU/Ole Miss game? Does an LSU win help Bama more than an Ole Miss one? These factors are going to differ based on who you ask and how they value those schools. Ultimately, we will be judging the value of Bama and if Miss State, LSU, and Ole Miss all round robin each other, it will hurt all of Bama's quality wins. A 1 loss Okie State would have beaten 2 of the 3 out of: Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma. If LSU losses more, all 3 of these teams would be viewed as more valuable than LSU and therefore (for this example) Okie State would have 2 better wins than any of Bama's and, presuming their loss comes against the other of the 3, their loss would be a more quality one as well.
I don't think all of these things will happen. I'm just saying values change and the main premise of the entire topic is that Ole Miss's value is trending way down and the media is treating this game like a win for Bama anyway because they are saying Bama beat themselves. 5 turnovers is bad and certainly a major factor. Off of those turnovers, Ole Miss amassed 43 points and were up 43-24 in the 4th quarter. Because of the mistakes, Bama tried things and forced themselves into more mistakes. How is that Ole Miss' fault? Ole Miss had lucky plays, but those plays were part of the game. The game started 0-0 and ended 43-37. I don't understand why the media (who may not have even watched that game) has to try to influence the nation that that loss wasn't that bad. If you watch Bama you know they are very good. Nobody needs to help them in that perception. Their play will speak for itself. They don't need backing. They have been the most dominant football team in the nation this entire decade and beyond. Let's just be honest though, the loss was not a good effort by Bama and if it boils down to 3 undefeated teams and a couple of 1 loss teams, that's a pretty big factor.
Who gains value in the LSU/Ole Miss game? Does an LSU win help Bama more than an Ole Miss one? These factors are going to differ based on who you ask and how they value those schools. Ultimately, we will be judging the value of Bama and if Miss State, LSU, and Ole Miss all round robin each other, it will hurt all of Bama's quality wins. A 1 loss Okie State would have beaten 2 of the 3 out of: Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma. If LSU losses more, all 3 of these teams would be viewed as more valuable than LSU and therefore (for this example) Okie State would have 2 better wins than any of Bama's and, presuming their loss comes against the other of the 3, their loss would be a more quality one as well.
I don't think all of these things will happen. I'm just saying values change and the main premise of the entire topic is that Ole Miss's value is trending way down and the media is treating this game like a win for Bama anyway because they are saying Bama beat themselves. 5 turnovers is bad and certainly a major factor. Off of those turnovers, Ole Miss amassed 43 points and were up 43-24 in the 4th quarter. Because of the mistakes, Bama tried things and forced themselves into more mistakes. How is that Ole Miss' fault? Ole Miss had lucky plays, but those plays were part of the game. The game started 0-0 and ended 43-37. I don't understand why the media (who may not have even watched that game) has to try to influence the nation that that loss wasn't that bad. If you watch Bama you know they are very good. Nobody needs to help them in that perception. Their play will speak for itself. They don't need backing. They have been the most dominant football team in the nation this entire decade and beyond. Let's just be honest though, the loss was not a good effort by Bama and if it boils down to 3 undefeated teams and a couple of 1 loss teams, that's a pretty big factor.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 1:04 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:01 am to AUX3
According to the would-be BCS rankings Alabama has wins over:
#7 LSU
#21 Wisconsin
#28 Tennessee
#31 Texas A&M
#36 Georgia
#37 Arkansas
Ohio St:
#33 Penn St
ND:
#16 Navy
#17 USC
#26 Temple
#38 Pitt
Iowa:
#21 Wisconsin (Common opponent with Alabama; Alabama dominated while Iowa went down to the wire)
#27 Northwestern
#38 Pitt
Baylor:
#39 West Virginia
Stanford:
#17 USC
#25 UCLA
#44 Washington St
#46 Washington
OK St:
#12 TCU
#39 West Virginia
Clemson is rightfully #1. Of the other undefeated teams only OK St. has a win over a top 20 opponent.
ND and Stanford both have legitimate arguments but neither has quite the same body of work as Alabama and both have looked more vulnerable against similar or worse competition. ND struggled with Virginia while Stanford was a missed fg away from losing to Washington St.
#7 LSU
#21 Wisconsin
#28 Tennessee
#31 Texas A&M
#36 Georgia
#37 Arkansas
Ohio St:
#33 Penn St
ND:
#16 Navy
#17 USC
#26 Temple
#38 Pitt
Iowa:
#21 Wisconsin (Common opponent with Alabama; Alabama dominated while Iowa went down to the wire)
#27 Northwestern
#38 Pitt
Baylor:
#39 West Virginia
Stanford:
#17 USC
#25 UCLA
#44 Washington St
#46 Washington
OK St:
#12 TCU
#39 West Virginia
Clemson is rightfully #1. Of the other undefeated teams only OK St. has a win over a top 20 opponent.
ND and Stanford both have legitimate arguments but neither has quite the same body of work as Alabama and both have looked more vulnerable against similar or worse competition. ND struggled with Virginia while Stanford was a missed fg away from losing to Washington St.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:10 am to imraged
Okie State is about to play 2 top 10 teams. We'll see how that shakes down. The SEC still has a lot of beating each other up to do, but this time of year, all conferences have that. It's the one time we get some clarity as Ohio State actually plays someone and the Big 12 will square off. ND/Stanford is going to be the real deal and an ND win will make this situation a lot more controversial, as long as Stanford beats Oregon.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 1:11 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:16 am to easy money
Stanford got shite on in the season opener by Northwestern. Notre Dame doesn't play in a conference championship. Baylor/TCU/Oklahoma/OK state all have to play each other AND they don't have a conference championship.
Utah got shite on by USC. Florida lost to LSU, Bama won against LSU.
I get what you're trying to say, but just looking at losses, there A) won't be more than 1-2 undefeateds left in the country when the regular season is over and B) the teams with losses will have multiple, and many of them are bad.
But yes, looking at Alabama's wins, they are the most impressive of any one loss team, and multiple undefeateds. Clemson has a better resume because they don't have a loss, and they should be number one.
But Alabama's top 4 wins are:
#2 LSU, while undefeated
@#8 UGA with Chubb, undefeated
@9 TAMU while they were undefeated
#20 Wisconsin who only has losses to Alabama and undefeated Iowa (by 4).
That doesn't include wins over a solid Arky team who beat Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee. It also doesn't include Tennessee who was up late on Florida and Oklahoma and couldn't pull it out.
So yeah, whose wins stack up to that from the one losses?
ND:
GT?
Temple?
Texas?
Stanford:
UCLA
USC
Loss to Northwestern (who is on par with Ole Miss)
Mich St:
Michigan
Oregon
Loss to 4-6 Nebraska
Oklahoma:
WVU
Tennessee
KSU
Loss to a terrible Texas team
Really, look at the actually SOS and realize that you're trying to put teams with worse losses and worse wins before Alabama.
Utah got shite on by USC. Florida lost to LSU, Bama won against LSU.
I get what you're trying to say, but just looking at losses, there A) won't be more than 1-2 undefeateds left in the country when the regular season is over and B) the teams with losses will have multiple, and many of them are bad.
But yes, looking at Alabama's wins, they are the most impressive of any one loss team, and multiple undefeateds. Clemson has a better resume because they don't have a loss, and they should be number one.
But Alabama's top 4 wins are:
#2 LSU, while undefeated
@#8 UGA with Chubb, undefeated
@9 TAMU while they were undefeated
#20 Wisconsin who only has losses to Alabama and undefeated Iowa (by 4).
That doesn't include wins over a solid Arky team who beat Ole Miss, Auburn and Tennessee. It also doesn't include Tennessee who was up late on Florida and Oklahoma and couldn't pull it out.
So yeah, whose wins stack up to that from the one losses?
ND:
GT?
Temple?
Texas?
Stanford:
UCLA
USC
Loss to Northwestern (who is on par with Ole Miss)
Mich St:
Michigan
Oregon
Loss to 4-6 Nebraska
Oklahoma:
WVU
Tennessee
KSU
Loss to a terrible Texas team
Really, look at the actually SOS and realize that you're trying to put teams with worse losses and worse wins before Alabama.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:17 am to imraged
Interesting data- thanks- makes more sense
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:17 am to easy money
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easy money
What exactly do you want? You've spent 4 pages typing small essays and whining and bitching.
Post your top 10...
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:20 am to Kcoyote
I think the value of when you play a team is irrelevant. We'll see how LSU ends up, but TAMU and UGA are far different now.
I can't imagine a scenario that Bama doesn't get in, but I'm just bringing up the fact that there are a lot of scenarios to play out still.
I don't think there are teams at this point that stack up to Bama as far as 1 loss teams, but those teams also have backloaded schedules so I see that debate becoming more and more controversial.
I can't imagine a scenario that Bama doesn't get in, but I'm just bringing up the fact that there are a lot of scenarios to play out still.
I don't think there are teams at this point that stack up to Bama as far as 1 loss teams, but those teams also have backloaded schedules so I see that debate becoming more and more controversial.
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