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Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:05 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:05 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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They’re done it’s over
Everybody has a bad run in their program:
UT since firing Fulmer:
2009 - 2018 - 62-63
LSU Archer/Hallman era:
1988 - 1995 - 40-49
USCe Sparky woods through Holtz transition:
1989 - 1999 - 47-71
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:08 pm to TnMountaineer
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You laugh Fiddle but what’s it say when you continue losing to South Carolina these days? I think it’s six of the last nine and three straight?
Welcome to our level.
They're 0-7 against Muschamp.
That's right, even our 4-8 team that lost to an FCS team with more injuries than us still beat UT by 14.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:11 pm to Arksulli
Hatfield WAS really good at Arkansas. Assuming, if Petrino stayed, he would have eventually gone in the crapper like he did at Louisville, Hatfield was probably the third best coach we've had, dismal Bowl record aside. But in hindsight, Jimmy Johnson would have likely won us at least one national championship before Broyles got on his nerves. Lou Holtz would have won us one if Broyles hadn't chased him off so soon. He technically does have a small split claim to the '77 NC, but of course no one counts that one.
Spurrier at least, at the end of the day, left South Carolina as good or better than he found it. They were barely even winning before Lou Holtz/Steve Spurrier. Now they're consistently making bowl games. Do you think Will Muschamp could be winning as much as he is if he were the coach who had to follow Brad Scott?
For the SEC teams not in plentiful recruiting ground, we play a different game. Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia can expect to win 10+ most years. Auburn can expect 10+ more than the remaining ten SEC teams, but they're a bit more of a feast or famine rollercoaster. I've said it before, but Arkansas should be winning 8/9 most years. We should very rarely ever miss a bowl, except when injuries and the draft hit us hard. If we win our four OoC games and then manage 4–4 in the conference games, which is doable and unimpressive, that puts us at 8–4 and at the mercy of a decent bowl draw. Every four or five years, provided we've been recruiting better than utter shite, we should have an experienced team loaded with RS seniors who can win 10/11 and make a run for the West.
An excellent coach can have Tennessee winning an NC in the playoff era, but if they find a coach who maintains 9–4 and ranked like Butch was for a couple of years, they should understand that's actually decent and competitive. I agree that Butch had to go after the final year, but Tennessee was calling for his head during the second time he went 9–4. That's actually pretty good. It's not 1998 anymore.
Spurrier at least, at the end of the day, left South Carolina as good or better than he found it. They were barely even winning before Lou Holtz/Steve Spurrier. Now they're consistently making bowl games. Do you think Will Muschamp could be winning as much as he is if he were the coach who had to follow Brad Scott?
For the SEC teams not in plentiful recruiting ground, we play a different game. Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia can expect to win 10+ most years. Auburn can expect 10+ more than the remaining ten SEC teams, but they're a bit more of a feast or famine rollercoaster. I've said it before, but Arkansas should be winning 8/9 most years. We should very rarely ever miss a bowl, except when injuries and the draft hit us hard. If we win our four OoC games and then manage 4–4 in the conference games, which is doable and unimpressive, that puts us at 8–4 and at the mercy of a decent bowl draw. Every four or five years, provided we've been recruiting better than utter shite, we should have an experienced team loaded with RS seniors who can win 10/11 and make a run for the West.
An excellent coach can have Tennessee winning an NC in the playoff era, but if they find a coach who maintains 9–4 and ranked like Butch was for a couple of years, they should understand that's actually decent and competitive. I agree that Butch had to go after the final year, but Tennessee was calling for his head during the second time he went 9–4. That's actually pretty good. It's not 1998 anymore.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:35 pm to VagueMessage
UT had a really good shot at winning the SEC in 2015. Of course they blew it against us.
And before you laugh, they lost 19-14 to Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
And before you laugh, they lost 19-14 to Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:37 pm to Korin
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UT had a really good shot at winning the SEC in 2015. Of course they blew it against us.
And before you laugh, they lost 19-14 to Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Lol we beat Georgia and Florida in 2016 and somehow managed to lose the division
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:38 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Y'all still had an almost guaranteed spot in the Sugar Bowl before the Vandy game. 
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:39 pm to sand mountainDvalues
beat Georgia and Florida, lose to Carolina and Vandy
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:41 pm to Korin
They lost all four of their games in 2015 by one score, including to Arkansas. They could have realistically been 12–0 playing Ole Miss in Atlanta. That's why their fans were disappointed in 2016. They went 9–4 again, but they should have been better on paper. But 9–4 is still as good or better than they've done since like the mid-2000s.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:42 pm to white beans
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Honest opinions on Tennessee Football
Vandy has been to more bowl games since 2008. Let that one sink in.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:43 pm to Korin
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Y'all still had an almost guaranteed spot in the Sugar Bowl before the Vandy game.
God butch jones was such a total fvcking cheesedick.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 2:13 pm to Korin
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Y'all still had an almost guaranteed spot in the Sugar Bowl before the Vandy game.
Dobbs went 31-34, 340 yards, and 2 TDs, and we still lost by 11
Kyle Shurmur set his career high for passing yards before we even made it to halftime
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:01 pm to white beans
Honest opinion...
Pruitt will get UT back to SEC East contention but the build will be slow like Dabo at Clemson. If UT gives him time, stays out of the way and doesn't get derailed by that snake in the grass AD of his, the ceiling is high because Pruitt already has a championship pedigree and breathes football.
Pruitt will get UT back to SEC East contention but the build will be slow like Dabo at Clemson. If UT gives him time, stays out of the way and doesn't get derailed by that snake in the grass AD of his, the ceiling is high because Pruitt already has a championship pedigree and breathes football.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:45 pm to stomp
They God the league right where they want it
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:46 pm to VFL1800FPD
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like what does this even mean? Are the other fanbases exclusively populated by former players? Idiotic as usual
I meant your mother had no children who lived.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:48 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Gary Patterson interviewed and was begging for the VOLS gig post Fulmer, only for our AD to pick Kiffin instead
Nobody in their right mind would be “begging” to live in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:29 pm to Cobb Dawg
But Yet you probably think people are begging to live in the "Meccas" of Atlanta or Athens which are only 200 miles South of Knoxville and in a very similar climate and region. You are the worst kind of idiot.
Knoxville also made the top 50 of the US news rankings places to live in America this year so you are wrong either way
Knoxville also made the top 50 of the US news rankings places to live in America this year so you are wrong either way
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:15 am to VFL1800FPD
I'm not a Vols fan at all.
But a lot of people in this thread seem to think it is 1995, and not 2019.
The talent is in Tennessee now. Eastern and Western Tennessee didn't change much in that respect, but Middle Tennessee grew like gangbusters.
Tennessee has the same kind of recriting draw in Middle Tennessee that Georgia has in its state.
Now right now Middle Tennessee is putting out a slew of propects and the place is still growing, more than Alabama, Mississippi, or Louisiana.
I said they were putting out a bunch of prospects. Look at your own teams. If they are like us they are recruiting Middle Tennessee players more than ever.
Right now Middle Tennessee is putting out roughly the same number of Div I talent as Alabama (just an eyeball test, I haven't put data in a spreadsheet or anything).
Still behind Louisiana, and definitely behind Georgia (which is also still growing, so it is apt to stay that way).
But particularly if you want linemen, Tennessee recruiting situation, at least based on "natural" recruiting area, is about the same as LSU.
They are passed in this regard by Florida, Georgia, and A&M. But compared to any other SEC school they have a better or at least as good setup.
That said, even if they are willing to pay Beaucoup money for a coach in Rocky Top, I honestly think a lot of coaches don't want to step into that fishbowl.
But make no mistake. Whether Pruitt is the guy or not, the players are there. This is yet another place where if you get the right coach things take off in a hurry.
But a lot of people in this thread seem to think it is 1995, and not 2019.
The talent is in Tennessee now. Eastern and Western Tennessee didn't change much in that respect, but Middle Tennessee grew like gangbusters.
Tennessee has the same kind of recriting draw in Middle Tennessee that Georgia has in its state.
Now right now Middle Tennessee is putting out a slew of propects and the place is still growing, more than Alabama, Mississippi, or Louisiana.
I said they were putting out a bunch of prospects. Look at your own teams. If they are like us they are recruiting Middle Tennessee players more than ever.
Right now Middle Tennessee is putting out roughly the same number of Div I talent as Alabama (just an eyeball test, I haven't put data in a spreadsheet or anything).
Still behind Louisiana, and definitely behind Georgia (which is also still growing, so it is apt to stay that way).
But particularly if you want linemen, Tennessee recruiting situation, at least based on "natural" recruiting area, is about the same as LSU.
They are passed in this regard by Florida, Georgia, and A&M. But compared to any other SEC school they have a better or at least as good setup.
That said, even if they are willing to pay Beaucoup money for a coach in Rocky Top, I honestly think a lot of coaches don't want to step into that fishbowl.
But make no mistake. Whether Pruitt is the guy or not, the players are there. This is yet another place where if you get the right coach things take off in a hurry.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:20 am to white beans
So much ignorance on display. Look at the all-time record between UT and LSU and tell me how bad we are. Everything goes in cycles, including our football - and your football. And those who say there's no talent in Tennessee, you're living in the past. Tennessee - especially around Nashville-Murfreesboro - is growing exponentially. And a proportionate number of those people are great football players!
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:34 am to Korin
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Y'all still had an almost guaranteed spot in the Sugar Bowl before the Vandy game
Yet all we hear is that Vandy has only beaten historically bad UT teams during this 5 of 7 stretch.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:15 am to white beans
Honest opinion, it's all cyclical. Tennessee will be back, but it will take time. I believe we finally have the right coach/staff and we are trending in the right direction. Going to take time to flip the roster, change mentalities, and develop the talent, then we'll get the wins. With winning, better recruiting will follow. A lot harder in the SEC given the level of competition. My biggest concern is A) Impatient fans and B) Fulmer possibly having conflicting opinions and injecting his opinions a bit much. I'll forecast a bowl this season, slight improvement the following season, and fairly competitive against Bama/UGA in 2021. If we land the right combination of weapons, similar to a Manziel and Evans, we may be back sooner.
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