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re: Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:01 am to HerbEaverstinks
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:01 am to HerbEaverstinks
There's a big difference between predicting the upcoming season and ranking teams based on how they've performed in games they've already played.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:02 am to bama1959
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Bama beat 2 previously undefeated top 10 teams. UF has not. Doesn't matter that you played the same UGA (without Chubb of course) because UGA was unranked when you played.
lol
you dumb
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am to ThatMakesSense
Hey man- if I could get a gig at ESPN, I'd make sure the first thing they did would be to get rid of Skip Clueless and Steven A. Stiff
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:05 am to Taurus 357
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get rid of Skip Clueless and Steven A. Stiff
You're back in my good graces.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:11 am to sugatowng
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As this is something I don't have to worry about I have a clear opinion.
Bama is better than Florida
And what if LSU wins this weekend? Alabama would still probably be favored in a head to head matchup with UF but at some point results have to matter. You can't just give a team free passes because you think they're potentially a top 4 team in the nation.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:14 am to harmonics
quote:This isn't a concept in college football.
defending champ Ohio State
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:16 am to IAmReality
I think what people don't understand is how a team with 0 wins over ranked opponents who has struggled against 2 average teams and lost at home to a team who got blown out and lost convincingly to Memphis is in the top 4.
Notre Dame and Michigan State unquestionably have better cases for top 4 and that doesn't even take into account TCU and Baylor.
If bama beats LSU and piles up some impressive wins then I'm not against them being over undefeated Baylors but right now that is not the case. Not even close.
Maybe Kirk is failing to grasp logic and isn't as smart as he thinks.
Notre Dame and Michigan State unquestionably have better cases for top 4 and that doesn't even take into account TCU and Baylor.
If bama beats LSU and piles up some impressive wins then I'm not against them being over undefeated Baylors but right now that is not the case. Not even close.
Maybe Kirk is failing to grasp logic and isn't as smart as he thinks.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:16 am to LSUsuperfresh
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And what if LSU wins this weekend? Alabama would still probably be favored in a head to head matchup with UF but at some point results have to matter. You can't just give a team free passes because you think they're potentially a top 4 team in the nation.
If Alabama loses another game they are out of it this year. You people need to relax. There is no bogeyman.
There were three teams last year that made it in with one loss, and it will likely be that way the majority of years.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:18 am to Fishhead
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Explain Bama with a loss to #18 OM, and their best win is against #19 TAMU. Yet UF is behind them with a win over that same OM team, and it's only loss to their #2 team.
We could explain it but you probably wouldnt get it. Florida needed a fluke blown coverage on 4 and 16 to win that game. OM needed two fluke fumbles on kickoffs and two fluke touchdown passes to win.
A win is a win and a loss is a loss but the eyetest matters to the committee. It matters that TCU only beat K-state on a fluke tipped ball TD pass on the last play. It matters that Florida lost their starting QB. It matters that Bama played UGA when they had Chubb.
Its a ranking that means zero right now but everyone's panties are in a wad. It will be settled Saturday.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:18 am to BayouBengals03
I can see your point about Baylor, as they have looked impressive in their victories. But TCU has lost 6 starters on defense and it shows. They've been skating by teams with scores of 55-52, 52-45, 23-17, 45-41, etc. they are the type of team who better have the ball last or they will lose. The committee sees that as a major weakness.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:19 am to elposter
The reality is that Alabama can have a loss and still be in the top four for some reason. No other teams gets to have a loss and still be ranked as high as them. Bama gets another mulligan!!! Total B.S.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:23 am to elposter
Yeah. If Alabama wins out and wins the SEC, they'll deserve to be there. If they lose again, they're out. This year it will be fine. I just don't like the precedent it sets for the future.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:29 am to ReauxlTide222
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People just put way too much value on losses. I'm guessing it's because at the time of a loss during the BCS era, you were done until other teams lost and you moved back up the conveyor belt that was the rankings.
I think it's an interesting philosophical discussion.
But if you're not going to look at losses like we used to in the old poll system, then why would you count the loss following the championship game.
For instance, what if Ole Miss were to squeak into the playoff with two losses and then beat an undefeated Clemson team in the same flukish manner that they beat Bama--with say a last field goal.
Why wouldn't you then have another committee meaning and declare a dominant, 1-loss Clemson team the national champion since they pass they eye test--and we can ignore their one loss? The games have to count.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:49 am to FishFearMe
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That is good for the SEC.
Its very good for the SEC. That is why I have argued for a playoff for years
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:57 am to RandySavage
quote:Take a lap
how a team with 0 wins over ranked opponents
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:59 am to crescentcity
quote:Because that's not how playoffs work. The regular season is to find the best teams. The playoffs is a tournament with those teams.
Why wouldn't you then have another committee meaning and declare a dominant, 1-loss Clemson team the national champion since they pass they eye test--and we can ignore their one loss? The games have to count.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:01 am to RandySavage
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I think what people don't understand is how a team with 0 wins over ranked opponents who has struggled against 2 average teams and lost at home to a team who got blown out and lost convincingly to Memphis is in the top 4.
Ummmm...when we played them Georgia and Aggie were Top 10 teams and Wisky was ranked Top 20 as well. We also lost to a ranked Ole Miss team. Bama has by far played a tougher schedule and had more quality wins.
It never ceases to amaze me that people don't see the inconsistency in your logic.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:06 am to bama1959
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(without Chubb of course)
Fair enough. Going to respond to this, though. You also effectively played UGA without Chubb.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:06 am to 195820032007
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The reality is that Alabama can have a loss and still be in the top four for some reason. No other teams gets to have a loss and still be ranked as high as them.
Do you think, for example, if LSU would have lost to Florida by 6 there would have been a chance that Florida could have been sitting in the #2 spot and LSU at #4?
I do.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:08 am to IAmReality
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The committee's rankings are arrived at in a much more complicated process than everyone just submitting a ballot.
Bull. They just submit who they think the best teams are.
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