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re: Ha Ha received money from asst strength coach
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:33 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:33 pm to lsufball19
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athletes are required to cooperate as long as they're still in school. once they're out, they don't have to provide or tell the ncaa anything. they're not a court of law, but they do have the power to refuse to grant an athlete eligibility if they don't cooperate.
When you are an athlete you do not forfeit any of your legal rights and the NCAA can infringe on those rights. They may have the ability if they feel warranted to do so to not allow you to no longer compete but they do not have the right to force any athlete to cooperate. The institution(school) and athlete are two different things.
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:34 pm to Kcoyote
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Dude if we was willing to take out a loan from an assistant S&C coach, why wouldn't he take one out from the federal fricking government?
it's much easier to borrow $500 from a private party than go through the hassle of filing for a student loan.
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The kid obviously needed money, he knows he can get it during the school year, just not the summer. I'm not throwing shite against a wall, I know what it's like to be in college and realize when you need your money.
i know what it's like too. been in school and grad school. and you can get student loans for the summer if you apply for them. pretty much all athletes take summer classes, so they'd qualify. but the fact remains, he has no reason to take out loans when every bit of his education and necessities are paid for. i've had several friends on full athletic scholarships. not one of them had any need to take out a federal loan.
like i said he could have needed money for a variety of different things, there's really no telling. but him borrowing money from a coach was retarded, regardless of how you look at it.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:34 pm to RT1941
Money from a coach is more serious than money from a booster, obviously. NCAA has been neutered and nothing comes from this unless it's part of a bigger story involving Luther Davis and crew.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:35 pm to TideWarrior
quote:This is a silly argument. The police can't force you not to murder someone, but they can put you in jail for doing so.
When you are an athlete you do not forfeit any of your legal rights and the NCAA can infringe on those rights. They may have the ability if they feel warranted to do so to not allow you to no longer compete but they do not have the right to force any athlete to cooperate.
By playing for the NCAA, you agree to cooperate and are bound to do so and risk forfeiting the right to continue doing so if you don't.
quote:And both are required to cooperate with the NCAA or risk sanctions.
The institution(school) and athlete are two different things.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:36 pm to CFBFAN1121
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:36 pm to TideWarrior
That's kind of like saying a court of law doesn't have the right to force someone to appear, but they can have that person arrested if he doesn't show up.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:36 pm to TBoy@LSU
We got 27 scholarship reductions and 3 years probation for a 200 dollar agent gift to Langham after the 1993 Miami game ...... SO , TELL ME , how was this Bama cheating .....?????
The NCAA appeals committee admonished the NCAA committee on Infractions for the way they handled the case , gave Bama relief and stated if Bama had asked for more relief they would have gotten it..... So , Bama was the first team to win an appeal and it seems the NCAA COI became vindictive vs. Bama because the appeal committee chastized their arrogant azzez.
As for the 1999 violation , Roy Kramer ( SEC Commish ) and the NCAA both knew ( court documents prove this ) that a player from Memphis was being shopped , but failed to inform ALL of the institutions of the problem ...... WHY ?, I bet Tenn. was informed , and we have western union checks to Tee Martin which nothing came of it.WONDER WHY?
So , it seems to me you have a vindictive NCAA working hand in hand with with Tenn. man ( Kramer ) a Tenn. coach ( Fulmer ) and a Tennessee high school coach who claimed to have received payments from Logan Young , in cash ( unprovable ) but yet the NCAA wouldn't take the “ WORD ” of the HBO 4 .... NO HARD PROOF , but Bama threw itself at the mercy of the court and got hammered for a “ supposed rouge booster. ”
2 instances , no cheating by Alabama ( Auburn's coaches under Dye paid players, thats real cheating ) only a vindictive NCAA COI.
As for the TEXTBOOK issue , pleaseeeeeeeeeee , this isn't even a violation by NCAAs own rule book. If a player is given EXTRA BENEFITS that other students do not get then a violation has occurred , but if ALL STUDENTS are gaming the federal government textbook ( and this goes on all over the U.S. , students game the textbook system , you know this, HELL, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS GET GAMED ALL OVER THE U.S.A. ) system the the student athlete is not doing anything any different than all the other kids. Which means if all the students are gaming the FEDS there is no EXTRA BENEFITS , so on all 3 you are FOS.
Show me where Alabama cheated !!!!
One 200 dollar , overblown agent problem.
One unprovable , HIT by Tennessee advocates and the NCAA COI.
And 1 textbook scam issue that happens at every school in the U.S.A.
Cheaters hey.
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The NCAA appeals committee admonished the NCAA committee on Infractions for the way they handled the case , gave Bama relief and stated if Bama had asked for more relief they would have gotten it..... So , Bama was the first team to win an appeal and it seems the NCAA COI became vindictive vs. Bama because the appeal committee chastized their arrogant azzez.
As for the 1999 violation , Roy Kramer ( SEC Commish ) and the NCAA both knew ( court documents prove this ) that a player from Memphis was being shopped , but failed to inform ALL of the institutions of the problem ...... WHY ?, I bet Tenn. was informed , and we have western union checks to Tee Martin which nothing came of it.WONDER WHY?
So , it seems to me you have a vindictive NCAA working hand in hand with with Tenn. man ( Kramer ) a Tenn. coach ( Fulmer ) and a Tennessee high school coach who claimed to have received payments from Logan Young , in cash ( unprovable ) but yet the NCAA wouldn't take the “ WORD ” of the HBO 4 .... NO HARD PROOF , but Bama threw itself at the mercy of the court and got hammered for a “ supposed rouge booster. ”
2 instances , no cheating by Alabama ( Auburn's coaches under Dye paid players, thats real cheating ) only a vindictive NCAA COI.
As for the TEXTBOOK issue , pleaseeeeeeeeeee , this isn't even a violation by NCAAs own rule book. If a player is given EXTRA BENEFITS that other students do not get then a violation has occurred , but if ALL STUDENTS are gaming the federal government textbook ( and this goes on all over the U.S. , students game the textbook system , you know this, HELL, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS GET GAMED ALL OVER THE U.S.A. ) system the the student athlete is not doing anything any different than all the other kids. Which means if all the students are gaming the FEDS there is no EXTRA BENEFITS , so on all 3 you are FOS.
Show me where Alabama cheated !!!!
One 200 dollar , overblown agent problem.
One unprovable , HIT by Tennessee advocates and the NCAA COI.
And 1 textbook scam issue that happens at every school in the U.S.A.
Cheaters hey.
:beatdeadhorse: This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:37 pm to RollTide1987
Smh 
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:38 pm to WDE24
Lets make this simple and for clarification. Someone please provide a link or the exact language of what the NCAA can require of an athlete concerning matters of violations. We are all speculating right now.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:38 pm to asphinctersayswhat
The toilet roll people are going down for this.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:38 pm to bamawriter
From the NCAA website:
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Individuals required to cooperate: Student-athletes, prospective student-athletes, coaches, athletics department staff, institutional personnel.
Individuals not required to cooperate: Parents, family and friends, high school coaches, some summer coaches, representatives of the institution’s athletics interests, such as boosters.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:39 pm to TideWarrior
quote:I'm not. I'm very familiar with this.
We are all speculating right now.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:39 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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( Auburns coaches under Dye paid players, thats real cheating )
Does anyone else find this incredibly ironic considering the thread it was posted in?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:39 pm to bmy
Right he gone
And to the poster who said "Bama shoulda known, covered it up and should forfeit games" I'm pretty sure no one but the 2 knew judging by the suspension and timing of it, the way it's happening middle of the season etc
The contact with the agent is what scares me if it was true in the initial report but I also have a sneaking suspicion this will be filed under the NCAA's reasoning to make a case for a stipend or something it is gonna happen soon
And I'll say it again NCAA has no subpoena powere whatsoever don't care what they ask for but in this case seems like compliance department already has what they needed to turn it in
And to the poster who said "Bama shoulda known, covered it up and should forfeit games" I'm pretty sure no one but the 2 knew judging by the suspension and timing of it, the way it's happening middle of the season etc
The contact with the agent is what scares me if it was true in the initial report but I also have a sneaking suspicion this will be filed under the NCAA's reasoning to make a case for a stipend or something it is gonna happen soon
And I'll say it again NCAA has no subpoena powere whatsoever don't care what they ask for but in this case seems like compliance department already has what they needed to turn it in
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:39 pm to TideWarrior
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When you are an athlete you do not forfeit any of your legal rights and the NCAA can infringe on those rights. They may have the ability if they feel warranted to do so to not allow you to no longer compete but they do not have the right to force any athlete to cooperate. The institution(school) and athlete are two different things.
yes, you have the right to withhold anything you want, legally. like i said, the ncaa is not a court of law. however, the ncaa also has the right to withhold your eligibility if you choose not to cooperate. why do you think bruce pearl got a 3 year show cause over a bbq at his house? because he didn't cooperate with the ncaa. the ncaa is a private body. they aren't bound by law to allow someone to play.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:41 pm to ThreauxDown11
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maybe he needed it right then. Why would he all of a sudden in an emergency need 500 bucks and why would he go to this guy for it. Has he given money to other players
Probably just some expense he didn't plan on having. Maybe he needed work done on a vehicle. How much do abortions cost these days?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:44 pm to TideWarrior
quote:They are fricking required to COOPERATE with the NCAA, they are required to cooperate with the University of Alabama compliance officials. If the NCAA or UA compliance ask questions, requests documents, or wants dates and context of communications between the player, the coach, the agent, etc. Then the player and the coach are required to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate then the coach can be fired, the player loses his scholarship and eligibility and the damn school could suffer penalties/sanctions.
Lets make this simple and for clarification. Someone please provide a link or the exact language of what the NCAA can require of an athlete concerning matters of violations. We are all speculating right now.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:45 pm to TideWarrior
quote:Article 19.2.3 if you want to read it.
Lets make this simple and for clarification. Someone please provide a link or the exact language of what the NCAA can require of an athlete concerning matters of violations. We are all speculating right now.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:46 pm to RT1941
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They are fricking required to COOPERATE with the NCAA, they are required to cooperate with the University of Alabama compliance officials. If the NCAA or UA compliance ask questions, requests documents, or wants dates and context of communications between the player, the coach, the agent, etc. Then the player and the coach are required to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate then the coach can be fired, the player loses his scholarship and eligibility and the damn school could suffer penalties/sanctions.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:46 pm to lsufball19
Y'all are all dancing around the real issue. A coach paid a player. A coach. If that's not LOIC, then nothing is. Forget the agents and boosters, a member of the Alabama coaching staff put money into the hand of a player. Did Butch Davis pay a player? No. Did one of his coaches? Yes. Is Butch Davis still the coach at North Carolina?....
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