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Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:44 pm to cyde
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I could sit there with some douchebag attorney and a video camera and tell him that someone told me something all day long and dare him to prove that I'm lying about it.
And why would you even do this? Same for McQueary, why would he lie about what he was told? It's not concrete, but it's enough to make an AD think twice.
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if it comes to light that McQueary's information was less than credible
there is no way for this to happen. As someone has already mentioned, this is all hearsay.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:45 pm to mountain D values
Please LINK McQueary's testimony concerning Schiano. I understood McQueary to have said he heard someone else may have thought Schiano may have heard some allegations.
You obviously believe McQueary testified Schiano knew, which is not the case.
You obviously believe McQueary testified Schiano knew, which is not the case.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:46 pm to cyde
It's very ridiculous. It's ridiculous that Currie thought this would be even remotely a good idea. It's ridiculous that Vols fans immediately jumped straight to "he covered up child rape" and it's ridiculous that we are having to discuss a major program hiring someone that could have, but maybe not, or maybe, or who knows, not notified authorities when he had suspicions his boss was raping children.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:47 pm to cas4t
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Amazing that you even have to ask this question. You take it up with the proper authorities. You most certainly don't just sit on your hands. My God.
If the recollection is accurate it....he supposedly told someone. It wouldn't have been him pushing it under the rug. Again, this is an account or recollection that no one has proof of this recount ever happening.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:48 pm to cas4t
quote:thats where the whole 'excited' utterance or whatever legal exception to hearsay exists right there.
And why would you even do this? Same for McQueary, why would he lie about what he was told? It's not concrete, but it's enough to make an AD think twice.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:49 pm to cyde
Bottom line is this situation is a horrible tragic mess.
What we know.
Sandusky was a serial child rapist who raped children on campus and at hotels teams stayed at both in SC and abroad.
People knew and covered it up, including the police department and head coach.
That is the issue, so many people had a hand in this that is hard to determine who did not. And like it or not, Schiano is included because he was named in a deposition.
A deposition that recounted what would have been a crazy story to anyone who had never heard of sandusky and his actions.
Actions that were then verified to have happened in those time frames, at those very specific locations. Actions that were a pattern that spanned more than a decade with at least some report being squashed at least every five years.
It is such a clusterfrick. Innocent people may well be tainted by this and guilty people undoubtedly got away with it.
The people who could have cleared or condemned a lot of the accusations took the fifth in their trials.
It is a dark cloud that will never go away here.
What we know.
Sandusky was a serial child rapist who raped children on campus and at hotels teams stayed at both in SC and abroad.
People knew and covered it up, including the police department and head coach.
That is the issue, so many people had a hand in this that is hard to determine who did not. And like it or not, Schiano is included because he was named in a deposition.
A deposition that recounted what would have been a crazy story to anyone who had never heard of sandusky and his actions.
Actions that were then verified to have happened in those time frames, at those very specific locations. Actions that were a pattern that spanned more than a decade with at least some report being squashed at least every five years.
It is such a clusterfrick. Innocent people may well be tainted by this and guilty people undoubtedly got away with it.
The people who could have cleared or condemned a lot of the accusations took the fifth in their trials.
It is a dark cloud that will never go away here.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:50 pm to cas4t
quote:I dunno. One thing no one has managed to mention is the context of this whole McQueary deposition. Why was he being deposed, and what was the context of his statement?
And why would you even do this?
quote:Maybe he didn't. Maybe the person who told him was lying; after all, the person who told him that Schiano saw something wasn't under oath.
why would he lie about what he was told?
quote:And that's really the heart of the matter, isn't it? Someone told McQueary something that may or not be true, and he repeated it under oath, and now Schiano's fricking life may be ruined because of it. Good enough for the Vols. After all, they didn't really want the guy to begin with.
there is no way for this to happen. As someone has already mentioned, this is all hearsay.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:53 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
I'm well aware that everyone involved thought they'd done enough by simply passing the buck to someone else.
Of course, because 2 people who had every reason in the world to deny this happening, denied it. We will never really know if he knew or not.
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Again, this is an account or recollection that no one has proof of this recount ever happening.
Of course, because 2 people who had every reason in the world to deny this happening, denied it. We will never really know if he knew or not.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:01 pm to higgs_boson
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Actions that were then verified to have happened in those time frames, at those very specific locations. Actions that were a pattern that spanned more than a decade with at least some report being squashed at least every five years.
It is such a clusterfrick. Innocent people may well be tainted by this and guilty people undoubtedly got away with it.
The people who could have cleared or condemned a lot of the accusations took the fifth in their trials.
It's all of this that make people wonder how on earth someone who worked so closely with Sandusky couldn't have had suspicions.
And then you hear that he was mentioned in the deposition.
And then you hear that those guilty pleaded the fifth.
It's enough to make one wonder, which is enough to prevent you from having a head coaching job in the SEC. Fair or not, right or wrong, this is the reality, and I can't blame anyone for wanting to stay away from someone that may have had knowledge of child rape.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:01 pm to cyde
Sandusky, Paterno, the Vice-President of PSU and the AD all ruined so many lives. Sandusky through his actions, the others with the cover ups that put suspicion on everyone involved in the football program at the time.
As for the context, the depositions were part of a court action involving a suit from Penn State's insurance company.
The deposition was for a civil, not criminal proceeding.
The insurance company argued they should not have to pay jack shite, since PSU covered this up and allowed it to continue.
To my knowledge, at no time under oath did Bradley say this conversation did not happen.
Here is a link if you are interested.
LINK
As for the context, the depositions were part of a court action involving a suit from Penn State's insurance company.
The deposition was for a civil, not criminal proceeding.
The insurance company argued they should not have to pay jack shite, since PSU covered this up and allowed it to continue.
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The documents released Tuesday included a deposition from Mike McQueary, the star witness at Jerry Sandusky's trial who testified he told Paterno in 2001 after he saw Sandusky raping a boy in a Penn State locker room shower.
In it, McQueary said that he discussed the incident later with Bradley, who said he had heard similar reports about Sandusky in the past.
In the excerpt of Bradley's 2015 deposition released Friday, Bradley is not asked about any conversation he had with McQueary about past incidents involving Sandusky. Still, he said, McQueary did tell him about the 2001 assault he had witnessed. Bradley believed the story, he testified.
To my knowledge, at no time under oath did Bradley say this conversation did not happen.
Here is a link if you are interested.
LINK
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:02 pm to cyde
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Why was he being deposed
seriously?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:13 pm to cas4t
quote:Yeah, seriously, a-hole. I don't follow Tennessee football or insurance civil lawsuits that closely.
seriously?
Thanks, Higgs.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:20 pm to cyde
No worries Cyde.
You are one of the good ones. We just disagree on this one. I think the association with the Sandusky stuff would be enough for me to prefer not to have that guy as the head of a program I supported.
Not saying he is guilty, but not comfortable with him being hired. And honestly, speculation/rumors that were much more specious have been known to keep coaches out of jobs before.
Also, it is a little more personal for me. After living here in State College for several years, it is my view this place leaks like an old fridge. It is frustrating to hear so many here deny that anyone did anything wrong. I avoid almost all football talk--- they say shite like we do it the right way, we don't pay players. I say we don't cover for serial child rapists --- and just like that, the conversation is dead at dinner.
One thing I think we can all agree on is the TENN AD fricked this up in every way possible.
Cheers and hope you have a good week.
You are one of the good ones. We just disagree on this one. I think the association with the Sandusky stuff would be enough for me to prefer not to have that guy as the head of a program I supported.
Not saying he is guilty, but not comfortable with him being hired. And honestly, speculation/rumors that were much more specious have been known to keep coaches out of jobs before.
Also, it is a little more personal for me. After living here in State College for several years, it is my view this place leaks like an old fridge. It is frustrating to hear so many here deny that anyone did anything wrong. I avoid almost all football talk--- they say shite like we do it the right way, we don't pay players. I say we don't cover for serial child rapists --- and just like that, the conversation is dead at dinner.
One thing I think we can all agree on is the TENN AD fricked this up in every way possible.
Cheers and hope you have a good week.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:21 pm to higgs_boson
Huh. I didn't see Schiano's name in that article at all. How about that?
It would seem that those who reported on the release of the deposition didn't find it newsworthy that Schiano's name came up.
In fact, it would seem that no one found it all that newsworthy (read: credible) until Clay Travis mentioned it... and it just so happens that ol' Clay also happened to not want Schiano as UT's coach.
It would seem that those who reported on the release of the deposition didn't find it newsworthy that Schiano's name came up.
In fact, it would seem that no one found it all that newsworthy (read: credible) until Clay Travis mentioned it... and it just so happens that ol' Clay also happened to not want Schiano as UT's coach.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:27 pm to higgs_boson
quote:Yeah, it's funny that OSU fans were all about that shite too right up until the Tressel story broke, huh?
- they say shite like we do it the right way, we don't pay players.
quote:The one thing that has always really bothered me about the way the whole Sandusky thing has been handled is that the sports-consuming public-at-large has treated it as though any act committed by one of their personnel can be attributed to the entire fricking town. People calling it "Pedo State," people angry that Penn State is still allowed to have a football team. People saying that they should shutter the doors on the university, bulldoze the town to the ground, have the populous and fanbase executed and so forth. (I exaggerate, yes, but that's what I do.
I say we don't cover for serial child rapists --- and just like that, the conversation is dead at dinner.
) It's like a "sins of the father" thing, but taken to the most extreme imaginable. Even after everyone who was actually involved with the situation was either arrested, fired, had resigned or had croaked, people still wanted someone to keep paying.
And that's fricked up, imo.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:27 pm to cas4t
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I’m well documented that the red flags were there. It's pretty fair to wonder how on earth someone who worked directly for Sandusky had no idea
The problem with this is you are using 20/20 hindsight. We know what happened now so we know the red flags seem obvious. because you are so morally outraged you don’t want to hear it but not clear to individuals that may or may not have seen something. As far as I know the only person that claims to have seen an actual sex act was McQueary. Apparently 1 of the victims testified that Tom Bradley saw him in the shower with Sandusky. Not engaged in sex mind you but in the shower and that he, Bradley stayed until they left, which the witnes felt was because Bradley was suspicious. Now showering is not illegal. If Sandusky says nothing was happening AND the kid either says nothing was happening or doesn’t say anything what exactly can Bradley or anyone do? I’d he calls the cops and says all he saw was them showering all the cops could do at best is talk to the kid.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:28 pm to cyde
My fault there.
That news article does not actually have the MCQuery Deposition. It has the Bradley one.
I linked it show the reasons for the depositions (I read you ask about it.)
If you look at the Bradley deposition, what I found troubling was where the transcript stopped.
The question last visible is starting to ask about who talked to Bradley, specifically Paterno.
The answer is not published nor are the remaining questions.
The whole thing is still a dark cloud and I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of who knew what.
That news article does not actually have the MCQuery Deposition. It has the Bradley one.
I linked it show the reasons for the depositions (I read you ask about it.)
If you look at the Bradley deposition, what I found troubling was where the transcript stopped.
The question last visible is starting to ask about who talked to Bradley, specifically Paterno.
The answer is not published nor are the remaining questions.
The whole thing is still a dark cloud and I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of who knew what.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:34 pm to cyde
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The one thing that has always really bothered me about the way the whole Sandusky thing has been handled is that the sports-consuming public-at-large has treated it as though any act committed by one of their personnel can be attributed to the entire fricking town.
What hurts is there is a sizable group here who think Paterno did nothing wrong, and by default they still say only Sandusky had any knowledge of this. Despite court cases, victim accounts and convictions.
I don't blame the entire town, but I have little respect for those who still maintain this was one guy who hid it so well no one knew about --- in obvious denial of police reports, parent complaints, reports from staff (coaching and others) that this was happening.
Some are more worried about their image than finding those who helped enable a monster to like Sandusky to not only do this, but use his access to the university athletics as bait to draw in young, vulnerable kids.
The whole thing just makes me angry and sad, tbh.
Anyway, I have to actually get some real work done --- lol I have been putting it off --- honestly anything that reminds of Sandusky puts me in a foul mood.
Have a good day.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:42 pm to cyde
I wasn't trying to be an arse, my apologies cyde.
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