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Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:28 am to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:28 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Mississippi State #1 in the nation for 3 weeks
Team beat zero top 20 teams and was boat raced by GT in the Orange Bowl.
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:33 am to djsdawg
This topic has jumped the shark.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:41 am to RD Dawg
Class rankings can be deceptive. When Less left our talent composite was one of the best in the country, but we were extremely thin at OL and didn't really recover until last season. I think we had like 8 scholarship OLinemen on the team in 2018, even FCS Southeastern manhandled us in the trenches at times
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:52 am to Gatorbait2008
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He could not get out of the way of his offense, and still can't. Smart has to show he can do that. Even Muschamp had an insane year his second year
Don't be absurd. One coach gets to the NC his 2nd year (with a freshman QB HE recruited) and the other can't even win his division and Kirby's offense scored 35 ppg.Which game in '17 are you referring to in which he couldn't "get out of the way"
Maybe AU but the game but there were numerous other reasons for that performance.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:55 am to RD Dawg
Name one time in history Miss State was number 1 in the country.
I'll wait.
Trying to argue he didn't do an outstanding job at Miss State is one of the dumbest arguments you can possibly make. They are the worst team in the SEC historically. Rationalize that and understand it before. No one was as consistent as Mullen in their history. Jackie had three good years, but Mullen had equal years but had the burden on a Saban dynasty going on at Bama, Ole Miss cheating, and LSU and Auburn being substantially better than either were for most of Jackie's tenure(once they got good he crumbled hard actually).
Keep trying though. It is amusing.
I'll wait.
Trying to argue he didn't do an outstanding job at Miss State is one of the dumbest arguments you can possibly make. They are the worst team in the SEC historically. Rationalize that and understand it before. No one was as consistent as Mullen in their history. Jackie had three good years, but Mullen had equal years but had the burden on a Saban dynasty going on at Bama, Ole Miss cheating, and LSU and Auburn being substantially better than either were for most of Jackie's tenure(once they got good he crumbled hard actually).
Keep trying though. It is amusing.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:05 am to RD Dawg
Don't be absurd. One coach gets to the NC his 2nd year (with a freshman QB HE recruited) and the other can't even win his division and Kirby's offense scored 35 ppg.Which game in '17 are you referring to in which he couldn't "get out of the way"
Maybe AU but the game but there were numerous other reasons for that performance.
Here is a direct quote from Smart
Smart insists on physical football at Georgia.
“Our core belief that we always have which is balance, being powerful, being able to run the ball at our will,” Smart said last August. “That’s always going to be the identity we have.”
He wants a time of possession offense, similar to what Bama had for the years he was there. The issue is, the game has evolved. Just going by his exact words.
As for the title his second year, that is awesome. But like I mentioned, even Muschamp was able to finish top four at the end of the regular season his sec cond *year at UF, and the one loss wasn't bad game plans or stupid decisions. Six turnovers, including players just dropping the ball and still almost tied it at the end of the game. In 2017 Kirby lost to his only reall tough opponent in the regular season, then got Auburn again without their best player who was pretty much their entire offense, and who had gashed Georgia in the earlier meeting. The East was putrid that year. Muschamp had a strong East and significantly tougher schedule and finished 11-1. Kirby right now is looking like a better version of Muschamp. He had an amazing, but far easier second year.
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:46 am to Gatorbait2008
Mullen's offense is still ball-control too he gets a freak of nature like Percy Harvin. What makes it special is the zone blocking and his ability to identify mismatches
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:51 am to Gatorbait2008
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Here is a direct quote from Smart
Smart insists on physical football at Georgia.
“Our core belief that we always have which is balance, being powerful, being able to run the ball at our will,” Smart said last August. “That’s always going to be the identity we have.”
Slightly misleading. That is an older quote before the Todd Monken hire.
Here's a Monken quote from his NFL days:
“Really what I took away from (the Air Raid) was being able to throw to win,’’ Monken said after taking the Browns’ job last season in a Cleveland.com story.
“That really to me was the Air Raid. You had a certain amount of run game, you ran a lot of the same concepts and you could throw to win. That was really it. Like any offense, it works a lot better if you have good players.”
Logically speaking, I don't believe Smart brings in a guy like Monken unless he's willing to change his philosophy and considering the issues Monken had with his HC last year, I don't believe Monken considers taking the UGA job unless he was assured full control of the offense.
With that being said, this will be a career defining hire for Smart. If the offense doesn't improve greatly under Monken, a little bit of the shine will wear off.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:51 am to UFMatt
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Mullen, in time will be proven to be a better coach than Kirby. It will take a while and patience from NegaGators who want everything to happen "today" but time will tell.
Awesome. Maybe we just put off this idiocy then until you beat us....
Posted on 7/17/20 at 11:56 am to so_comfort
I agree with everything you said.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 2:32 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Even Muschamp had an insane year his second year at UF, and would have been in the playoffs just like Kirby had we had playoffs then.
This comparison is as flawed as the analysis I linked.
Unlike Kirby in 2017 and 2018, Muschamp in 2012 had a terrible offense, and had no business being in a 4 team playoff.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 2:35 pm to Gatorbait2008
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then got Auburn again without their best player who was pretty much their entire offense, and who had gashed Georgia in the earlier meeting.
Another highly flawed point. He played in game 2 and he got his arse shut down. Heck, we had him controlled in the first game until our special teams fell apart.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 2:42 pm to djsdawg
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This comparison is as flawed as the analysis I linked.
Unlike Kirby in 2017 and 2018, Muschamp in 2012 had a terrible offense, and had no business being in a 4 team playoff.
Um. Muschamp lost one game, by 8 points. Played a significantly harder SOS than Kirby. His loss his team turned it over inside the ten to end the game. We absolutely earned that. Your offense wasn't that fantastic. You just played an absurdly weak East. Florida's offense was average in 2012, but the team absolutely would have earned a playoff spot. Had the number 2 SOS overall going into the bowl selections.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 2:55 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Um. Muschamp lost one game, by 8 points. Played a significantly harder SOS than Kirby. His loss his team turned it over inside the ten to end the game. We absolutely earned that. Your offense wasn't that fantastic. You just played an absurdly weak East. Florida's offense was average in 2012, but the team absolutely would have earned a playoff spot. Had the number 2 SOS overall going into the bowl selections.
National ranks:
Total offense: 104th
Yards per play: 92nd
Scoring: 78th
Passer efficiency: 69th
That’s well below average. No team with an offense like that, especially without a championship of any kind, is worthy of a playoff spot.
That’s far below the explosive uga 2017 and 2018 offenses.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:11 pm to GurleyGirl
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would also add that we have never had a championship level/NFL level talent at QB other than Matt Stafford who had a insufficient supporting cast.
I'm not picking on you.
But Staffords issue was his youth.
He played his last game for UGA at 20 years old. For context, Aaron Murray played his first season for UGA at 20 years old. Joe Burrow was a so-so QB until he was 22 years old.
Stafford finally was able to play "his game" without relying on a dominant running attack in the bowl game against Michigan State. And the minute he was "ready" as a QB, he was out the door getting a fat check from the Lions.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:18 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:I'm sorry all the other things you posted may have been close to true but comparing Muschamp and Kirby is laughable. If you are somewhat insinuating they're similar, other than being defensive-minded, you 're being intentionally obtuse. Sure, Muschamp struggled offensively but Smart really hasn't until 2019. As a team, the results couldn't have been further apart...
Just like Muschamp while he was here. He was an elite recruiter(Kirby is better at this though), and a great defensive mind. He could not get out of the way of his offense, and still can't. Smart has to show he can do that. Even Muschamp had an insane year his second year at UF, and would have been in the playoffs just like Kirby had we had playoffs then.
You're talking about a coach who went 28-21 in 4 years vs one who has gone 44-12 in 4 years and finished in the top 10 3 years in a row (Muschamp never has once)
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:21 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Name one time in history Miss State was number 1 in the country.
This is a stretch even for you.
In week 2, that team beat UAB by 7 points at home.
They had a good run beating a 5 loss LSU by 5.
Beating a 5 loss A&M by 17.
beating a 5 loss Auburb by 15.
Beating a 7 loss Kentucky by 14.
Beating a 6 loss Arkansas by 7.
But putting any credibility in the above for a #1 ranking is borderline criminal.
It doesn't pass any reasonable test after the fact.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:41 pm to meansonny
Jackie’s 1999 miss state team was comparable to Mullen’s 2014 team.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:43 pm to djsdawg
The difference is that Kirby is 1 good hire away from greatness.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 3:44 pm to djsdawg
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Jackie’s 1999 miss state team was comparable to Mullen’s 2014 team.
I've seen that as well.
Mullen had 1 season with a winning conference record in his 9 seasons at Miss St.
That feat had been duplicated two other times by other coaches.
To Mullens credit, it didn't happen often. But to correct Mullen fans, Miss St would put together a special season every 15 years or so that would absolutely rival Mullens best.
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