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Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:33 am to p226
It’s funny that so many of you complain about conference expansion at the cost of tradition, but the SEC has always been at the forefront of conference expansion:
1. It was the first modern power conference to move to 12 schools with two divisions in 1992. This directly causes the collapse of the SWC (although that was bound to happen anyway). This also caused the Big Eight to react by forming the Big 12 several years later and the Big Ten to add Penn State.
2. The SEC was the first power conference to institute a championship game. The other conferences copied them.
3. The SEC was the first conference to move to 14 teams, adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012. The Big Ten quickly copied them, adding Maryland and Rutgers.
4. The SEC was the first power conference to move to 16, adding OU and Texas. The Big Ten reacted by adding USC and UCLA.
This has always been an evolve or die scenario, and the SEC has always been ahead of the curve. Thanks to that, the SEC wil continue to compete for championships, attract the best talent, and fill the stands.
And compared to the Big Ten, the only real competition, the SEC still mostly makes sense. We don’t have Rutgers, Nebraska, and UCLA in the same conference.
1. It was the first modern power conference to move to 12 schools with two divisions in 1992. This directly causes the collapse of the SWC (although that was bound to happen anyway). This also caused the Big Eight to react by forming the Big 12 several years later and the Big Ten to add Penn State.
2. The SEC was the first power conference to institute a championship game. The other conferences copied them.
3. The SEC was the first conference to move to 14 teams, adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012. The Big Ten quickly copied them, adding Maryland and Rutgers.
4. The SEC was the first power conference to move to 16, adding OU and Texas. The Big Ten reacted by adding USC and UCLA.
This has always been an evolve or die scenario, and the SEC has always been ahead of the curve. Thanks to that, the SEC wil continue to compete for championships, attract the best talent, and fill the stands.
And compared to the Big Ten, the only real competition, the SEC still mostly makes sense. We don’t have Rutgers, Nebraska, and UCLA in the same conference.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:41 am to p226
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FSU & Clemson to SEC?
Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:28 am to p226
In terms of “markets”, FSU and Clemson offer nothing that we don’t already have. Besides, once we added Missouri, which is just a poor fit all around, the “Southeastern” geography went out the window.
I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again, it will likely never happen*, but if we were to add two new teams, I’d go all out and try and grab Ohio State and Notre Dame.
* I never thought Notre Dame would join the ACC, USC, UCLA, and Nebraska to the Big Ten, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou, and A&M to the SEC…so, you never know what may happen.
I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again, it will likely never happen*, but if we were to add two new teams, I’d go all out and try and grab Ohio State and Notre Dame.
* I never thought Notre Dame would join the ACC, USC, UCLA, and Nebraska to the Big Ten, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou, and A&M to the SEC…so, you never know what may happen.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 7:32 am
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:44 am to GentleJackJones
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Besides, once we added Missouri, which is just a poor fit all around
I'm not going to pretend like the State of Missouri is entirely southern, it isn't. Especially once you get north of I-70. it starts to feel more like Iowa pretty quickly. And Kansas City (where I live) feels more western than anything. Think smaller Denver without the mountains and significantly more crime.
But a significant part of the State (I would argue about half of it, including up to and touching Columbia) feels like a southern/border state. And that is no different than states like Florida (the southern half is basically Cuba and retired New Yorkers), Texas (just the gulf coast really fits in this conference culturally), or Kentucky (Louisville and Cincinnati are no more southern culturally than St. Louis or Kansas City).
So I really struggle after a decade of Mizzou being in the conference to understand how it is such a poor fit. I've visited plenty of SEC campuses and have spent time in pretty much every SEC state. From my perspective, Columbia/Mizzou is more alike most SEC campuses and college towns than different. To me, the Texas schools are a far stranger/worse fit than Columbia and Mizzou could ever be. If you can visit College Station, Austin, and Columbia, MO and then tell me with a straight face that Austin has more in common with a typical SEC college town, I'll personally request that we get kicked out of the conference. It honestly seems like this whole "Mizzou bad fit, kick out Mizzou" is just something that gets regurgitated on message boards by people who have never visited and assume Columbia, MO is basically Vancouver.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:48 am to p226
F*ck clempson. They have only 1 sport there and now that NIL is legal their football program is now turning to shite. All they had was cheating and now that's gone...
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:04 am to GentleJackJones
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Besides, once we added Missouri, which is just a poor fit all around, the “Southeastern” geography went out the window.
If you split the contiguous united states into quadrants it's still in the SE one
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:15 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Wish we could dump Missouri and regular Texas and bring in FSU and Clemson
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:20 am to p226
I would love to bring FSU into the SEC. Then maybe we could start playing Miami annually again. The SEC seems hell bent on taking away all of our conference rivals, if any of the schedule prognostications are true.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:28 am to bigDgator
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I would love to bring FSU into the SEC. Then maybe we could start playing Miami annually again. The SEC seems hell bent on taking away all of our conference rivals, if any of the schedule prognostications are true.
I was always in the camp that thought Florida wanted fsu in the sec because they recruit the same players anyway.
Might as well let fsu lose more in the sec vs a paltry ACC.
Same could be said for uscE.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:48 am to bigDgator
Why would we want FSU making more money and having SEC as a recruiting tool? What kind of idiot idea is that?
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 10:50 am
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:55 am to Alistair
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Why would we want FSU making more money and having SEC as a recruiting tool? What kind of idiot idea is that?
If FSU increases payout per school, they get an SEC invite.
IF FSU does not increase payout per school, they do not get an SEC invite.
Yes, FSU in the SEC is not ideal for Florida. That's why Aggy threw a massive fit when Texas decided they wanted to join the SEC. But the conference on the whole will only care about the above criteria. Obviously, FSU is a good cultural fit, is a solid school, and has a great football program. And unfortunately for my Gator friends, FSU almost certainly increases payout per school over the long run. And including them in the SEC keeps the B1G from getting their hands on the best non-SEC football program in the southeast.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:51 am to BreakawayZou83
Clemson to the SEC?
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:03 pm to p226
I have no issue with the Texas schools. They’ll never win anything and we make a lot of money off of them. Sounds ideal to me
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:09 pm to Alistair
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Why would we want FSU making more money and having SEC as a recruiting tool? What kind of idiot idea is that?
‘Member when fsu won the ACC multiple times in a row and stayed in the national conversation for a full decade?
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