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re: For all of those arguing for scheduling more OOC cupcakes as threatened by Bama's AD.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:01 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:01 am to Crowknowsbest
Agreed. Whether Tx received a favorable schedule is immaterial. Their schedule gave that perception. Anyone in the SEC office should have had the foresight to see that was going to be an issue. How can teams like Florida look at the Texas schedule, compare it to theirs, and come to any other conclusion? Sankey didn't do himself nor the SEC office any favor when he congratulated Tx on their success in the first year in the SEC at the SECCG ceremony yet failed to mention Georgia..... at all. He literally stood on the stage surround by UGA players and coaches and never congratulated them on the win. Again, perception. Any other SEC team fan is left with the perception he is all in on Texas. How do you not start by congratulating the winner and how do you excuse never even mentioning them? Then entire ceremony was bizarre. It had none of the fanfare that usually accompanies the ceremony. Going back and watching it, the disjointed, lackluster nature was even more striking.
Bizarre SECCG ceremony.
Bizarre SECCG ceremony.
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:03 am to thatthang
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I don’t think this is even possible in the NIL era. The outlook on teams’ upcoming season can change overnight.
Not that much. Anyone could have looked at Texas vs. Georgia’s 2024 schedule in November of last year and seen a clear issue. It’s not like this rotation was set that long ago.
I’m more willing to give the B1G a pass on Indiana’s schedule because I doubt they ever considered Indiana as a likely contender for their conference. Penn State is another matter.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:09 am to SummerOfGeorge
Who is playing Notre Dame and Ohio State next season?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:12 am to PrattvilleTiger
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Who is playing Notre Dame and Ohio State next season?
Arkansas plays ND at home. A&M goes to South Bend.
Texas plays at Ohio State on the opening Saturday.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:13 am to Murph4HOF
This was my thought on Greg Byrne's argument as well. I felt his snipe at the OOC games was a deflection from reality. Their OOC games played no role in them being left out of the playoffs. They won their OOC games. They got left out because they lost conference games. Byrne railing against OOC scheduling was good theatre, but an utter denial of the reality that affected their status.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:13 am to Crowknowsbest
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I’m more willing to give the B1G a pass on Indiana’s schedule because I doubt they ever considered Indiana as a likely contender for their conference. Penn State is another matter.
And, frankly, the B1G just doesn't have that many very good teams to pass around (especially with Michigan's fall this year).
The middle of that league is average at best and the bottom is horrid.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
Texas is playing Ohio State AND Michigan next year? Wow!
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:17 am to SemperFiDawg
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This was my thought on Greg Byrne's argument as well. I felt his snipe at the OOC games was a deflection from reality. Their OOC games played no role in them being left out of the playoffs. They won their OOC games. They got left out because they lost conference games. Byrne railing against OOC scheduling was good theatre, but an utter denial of the reality that affected their status.
In specific response to our season this year, yes.
But in general, his comments made some sense. It's hard enough to win 6-7 league games in this conference, especially compared to others where it isn't even in the same stratosphere. So why are we as a league making the decision to, on top of playing the hardest/deepest in league schedule, also play the hardest/deepest OOC schedule when it seems that the judgement for the playoff is "good/bad/number of losses" and not "quality of wins"? Kirby has made some similar comments the last couple of years. A lot of the league is gearing up for 2 or even 3 P4 OOC games a year the next decade, and there is a discussion for them whether that puts us at a competitive disadvantage or sure.
Personally, I don't like that logic. It sounds gutless, but there is some cold hard reality to it based on the way things went this season in terms of how teams appear to have been judged.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:17 am to Mizz-SEC
quote:This should be the second consideration right behind record. It seems every Saturday had two or three rent a wins on TV. I just don't remember it being that many in the old days.
Only rewarding strength of schedule will change it.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:18 am to Bigdawgb
My alternative thought is if you want to schedule cup cakes for OOC games, FINE: add a 9th conference game. Just don't devalue the quality of the schedule more. Fans deserve to see thier team play in meaningful games. There were a lot of empty seats in the SECCG. That's never happened and should serve as a warning to anyone lobbying for anything that devalues the quality of the game being hosted.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:18 am to PrattvilleTiger
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Texas is playing Ohio State AND Michigan next year? Wow!
No - Michigan doesn't play the return game until 2027. They are going:
2024 - @ Michigan
2025 - @ Ohio State
2026 - Ohio State
2027 - Michigan
2028 - @ Notre Dame
2029 - Notre Dame
Pretty solid stretch there, though.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:22 am to SemperFiDawg
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Is this really what you want to see: your team playing more meaningless games?
No, but everyone wants to see their team make the playoffs. If playing tough out-of-conference games to increase your strength of schedule doesn’t ultimately help that much when it comes decision time, why take a risk by scheduling games that are a toss-up as to whether you will win or not? The SEC schedule is tough enough (unless Emperor Sankey grants you an easier schedule like he did Texas), so why not schedule cupcakes and rack up all of the wins you can?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
His comments were valid. I agree completely, just not in the context of the argument he was framing.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:27 am to SemperFiDawg
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His comments were valid. I agree completely, just not in the context of the argument he was framing.
100% agree
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:27 am to SemperFiDawg
Deep down, everyone already knows what all of this means.
The best scheduling we ever had (that no one could attend) was 2020 when it was all conference games.
We need schedule parity around the country, and literally the only way to do it is to dump the lower teams, form a new league, super conference, whatever, and play each other in divisions with wildcards, playoffs, etc.
Right now the talent isn't the same. The facilities aren't same. The money isn't the same.
It feels good to root for Boise and Indiana and SMU, but come on. Vanderbilt beating Alabama was admittedly an awesome story, but then they fell apart but because they just didn't have the athletes or the depth to last through a full season. They couldn't win a playoff game right now if they were in.
This is just the first piece to breaking away. I hate it, you probably hate it.
College football ran away like our favorite dog a few years ago, and we're just holding out hope that he's going to show up on our front door.
The best scheduling we ever had (that no one could attend) was 2020 when it was all conference games.
We need schedule parity around the country, and literally the only way to do it is to dump the lower teams, form a new league, super conference, whatever, and play each other in divisions with wildcards, playoffs, etc.
Right now the talent isn't the same. The facilities aren't same. The money isn't the same.
It feels good to root for Boise and Indiana and SMU, but come on. Vanderbilt beating Alabama was admittedly an awesome story, but then they fell apart but because they just didn't have the athletes or the depth to last through a full season. They couldn't win a playoff game right now if they were in.
This is just the first piece to breaking away. I hate it, you probably hate it.
College football ran away like our favorite dog a few years ago, and we're just holding out hope that he's going to show up on our front door.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:28 am to PrattvilleTiger
quote:Alternating home & home with each.
Texas is playing Ohio State AND Michigan next year? Wow!
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:33 am to SemperFiDawg
I don’t get this take. In the past system it was a much bigger penalty to drop an OOC game than now because everyone was fighting for 4 slots. Hell we made it to the SECCG and were shut out after a loss.
OOC games have always been a crap shoot. Win and you look better…lose and you have to overcome it….except now there are more slots. If anything, we should schedule more OOC games with these weaker conferences to establish which conference is better…as long as you win.
OOC games have always been a crap shoot. Win and you look better…lose and you have to overcome it….except now there are more slots. If anything, we should schedule more OOC games with these weaker conferences to establish which conference is better…as long as you win.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:37 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:Seriously one of the big reasons I stopped buying season tickets.
so why not schedule cupcakes and rack up all of the wins you can?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:37 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:Seriously one of the big reasons I stopped buying season tickets.
so why not schedule cupcakes and rack up all of the wins you can?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:41 am to SemperFiDawg
3 SEC teams had arguments to get in but bottom line is they aren't letting a 12 team playoff be the SEC Invitational.
The numbers won't change much regardless. Most SEC teams will not be happy.
NCAA basketball has playoff with 64 teams
Football is spinning their wheels with this.
The numbers won't change much regardless. Most SEC teams will not be happy.
NCAA basketball has playoff with 64 teams
Football is spinning their wheels with this.
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