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re: Folks who know their football history.

Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:14 pm to
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:14 pm to
Bama fans who've helped me, thank you very much. But I have to ask you, did y'all have the same collective Amnesia I did? Its understandable, but damn, we forgot a pretty obvious example:























Mike Dubose! Christ did we all just block his years out!!!!
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35671 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:17 pm to
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Mike Dubose


Never heard of him...




































Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:21 pm to
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Never heard of him...


Pretty sure he coached Alabama one year and then mysteriously disappeared!
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:37 pm to
My memory is that he beat FL 2 times in one year...



and I can't recall anything else.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18488 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:38 pm to
You left out one of my favorite Bryant proteges, who was an assistant in Bear's final two seasons at the Capstone, then went on to be HC at Temple, and is currently a successful NFL coach with a pair of Super Bowl rings. In fact, every time the Bama HC job comes open I make a point of recommending him due to his Bryant bloodline, but for some reason he never even gets considered.



Maybe it's because he made Ed Scissum cry.
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 11:44 pm to
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You left out one of my favorite Bryant proteges, who was an assistant in Bear's final two seasons at the Capstone, then went on to be HC at Temple, and is currently a successful NFL coach with a pair of Super Bowl rings. In fact, every time the Bama HC job comes open I make a point of recommending him due to his Bryant bloodline, but for some reason he never even gets considered.


Thank you feerless. Maybe its just me, but i never blamed scissum for that play (even though he should have held onto the damn ball!!) I always plaed the blame for that square on dubose. I cant decide whats the worst call in iron bowl history, that one, or Dye giving it to brent fullwood rather than bo jackson!

Thanks for the help!

BTW, interesting note, thats two bryant guys on the pitsburg staff!
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 11:46 pm
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:26 am to
hse far, former bryant players and assistants have won a collective 4 national titles, 29 conference titles in 6 different conferences (SWC, SEC, AC, Pac 10 Sun Belt and Southern Conference before it went 1AA). They have appeared in 109 bowl games, winning 67 losing 40 and tying 2. In addition they have produced 38 top ten finishes in ap or coaches poll, 13 of which have been top 5 teams.
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:53 am to
Forrest Gump
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20959 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:58 am to
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Gene Stallings, Howard Schnellenberger, Paul Dietzel Danny Ford, Charlie Pell, Bill Bttle, Mike Riley, Ray Perkins, Charlie McClendon, Pat Dye, and Jackie Sherril.

So of all those guys, we got Bill Battle.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68325 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:08 am to
Gene Chizik is hardly a protege of Tommy Tuberville. The two, from what I hear, never saw eye-to-eye. If anything, Chizik is more of a student of Monte Kiffin.

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
35047 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:13 am to
Babe Parilli
Posted by BrooksnDunn
Daphne, AL
Member since Nov 2009
755 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:13 am to
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Howard Schnellenberger


For real? I never knew that. As much as I hate "tha U" always loved Schnellenberger.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35783 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:27 am to
Schnelly coached for the Bear and Don Shula
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 5:42 pm to
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Yes, Im sure he learned so much more from Blaik than Bryant, even though he was with bryant longer

He won a championship in '58 while Bryant was 5-4-1 at Bama. he had other stints between then. The coaching tree STARTS with the very first assistant job if you want the purest definition. If you know anything about Paul D you know he was all about discipline - that came before his time with Bryant. That came from the Army.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6023 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 5:50 pm to
[quote]I was bored and doing a little project, trying to gauge the success of the bryant coaching tree. So far, I have come up with the following 11 names who played for or coached for bryant: Gene Stallings, Howard Schnellenberger, Paul Dietzel Danny Ford, Charlie Pell, Bill Bttle, Mike Riley, Ray Perkins, Charlie McClendon, Pat Dye, and Jackie Sherril. Can anyone help me with names ive left out (looking for only major college or professional head coaches). Thanks.(quote)

I really hate to say it since I am a Bama fan but that list is actually a convicted cheaters hall of fame almost to a man.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 5:54 pm
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 5:50 pm to
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He won a championship in '58 while Bryant was 5-4-1 at Bama.


Yeah, in his firt year at a program that won 4 games in three years. Brant had also already had an undeafted team in 56 at Texas A&M (9-0-1) and won Kentucky's first SEC title in 1950, finisheing 9-1 and rankd number six (the highest kentucky has ever finished). After the final Ap poll came out, Bryant beat Bud Wilkinson and his national champion sooners in the sugar bowl to finish 10-1


quote:

he had other stints between then. The coaching tree STARTS with the very first assistant job if you want the purest definition.



No it doesnt. Nick Saban is often put in the bill belihik tree, and that certainly waasnt his first position.

quote:

If you know anything about Paul D you know he was all about discipline - that came before his time with Bryant. That came from the Army.


Cause if its one thing Bryant didnt do it was discipline.


Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72926 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 6:17 pm to
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Mike Dubose! Christ did we all just block his years out!!!!



You better believe I have, until you brought him up.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72926 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 6:18 pm to
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No it doesnt. Nick Saban is often put in the bill belihik tree, and that certainly waasnt his first position.



This is true. If we were going by the first definition, he would be a Hayes or James disciple.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22486 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 6:22 pm to
bill oliver was AU's interim HC for several games in 98 after Bowden quit.... he thought he was getting the real deal, instead Tuberville was hired.... I think he ended up suing auburn over it.

EDIT: looked up Oliver's resume... apparently he was the HC of UT-Chattanooga for a few years in the early 80s.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 6:26 pm
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
5064 posts
Posted on 4/18/11 at 6:23 pm to
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Brant had also already had an undeafted team in 56 at Texas A&M (9-0-1) and won Kentucky's first SEC title in 1950, finisheing 9-1 and rankd number six (the highest kentucky has ever finished).

You don't know that Army was a POWERHOUSE program for college football BEFORE Bryan was at Kentucky, Bama, and Dietzel was at LSU.

Vince Lombardi was from the same coaching tree as Dietzel - Blaik. The man nearly won (won 2) 3 consecutive NC from 44-46. Finished second in 46. He was a GREAT coach.

Dietzel had 3 stints at Army 2 with Blaik.
Just admit there were other coaches that were great in their own right besides Bryant. Many of which were schools outside of the SEC.

Read this on Dietzel then read about Blaik below on platoon systems

In 1958, however, Dietzel came up with a unique three-team platoon system. It consisted of three teams of 11 different players, and was designed to keep his players from being fatigued in an era when most players started on both offense and defense. Instead of replacing individual players during the game, Dietzel would bring in an entirely new set of players between plays and series. The three teams were called the White Team (the first-string offense and defense), the Gold (Go) Team (the second-string offense), and the Chinese Bandits (the second-string defense). The system worked, as the Tigers went undefeated and won the a national championship. The Chinese Bandits, the second-string defensive unit, which consisted of less-talented but ferocious players, became hugely popular with LSU fans and remains one of the most legendary pieces of LSU football history.

Blaik's Stats were Brilliant
At West Point, Blaik coached for 18 seasons compiling a 121–32–10 record. Blaik's Army teams had a 32-game unbeaten streak from 1944 to 1947, won consecutive national titles in 1944 and 1945, and finished second in the nation in 1946 with their record blemished only by a scoreless tie with rival Notre Dame at Yankee Stadium. In 1946, Blaik was selected as the AFCA Coach of the Year. In 1948, he became one of the first college coaches to implement a two-platoon system, using players strictly for offense or defense.[2] Blaik was also one of the first coaches to analyze the game play-by-play, charting a team’s tendencies on every down with the use of game film.[3]

Twenty of his former assistant coaches became head coaches in their own right: Paul Amen, George Blackburn, Clarence Boston, Eddie Crowder, Paul Dietzel, Bobby Dobbs, Sid Gillman, Jack Green, Andy Gustafson, Dale Hall, Tom Harp, Herman Hickman, Stu Holcomb, Frank Lauterbur, Vince Lombardi, John Sauer, Richard Voris, Murray Warmath, Bob Woodruff, and Bill Yeoman. Legendary fighter pilot Colonel Robin Olds also served as an assistant coach to Blaik. Dietzel, while at LSU, and Murray Warmath, while at Minnesota, won national championships as head coaches. Gillman, while head coach of the San Diego Chargers won an AFL championship. Lombardi, as head coach of the Green Bay Packers, won five NFL titles and the first two Super Bowls.

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