re: Florida HC’s since Spurrier

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Almost every program in America is like this. Pointing this out as if it means something is the worst take in all of these discussions.

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This simply isnt so. Take the entirety of all programs in the FBS Division today and Florida is about #20 all time in wins and winning %. Good and bad times included Florida is about the 5th or 6th best program in the SEC among charter members. Georgia and Tennessee are arguably 2 and 3 and pick 'em while LSU and Auburn are closer to them than Florida is. Cherry picked or not Florida is the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC of the original teams. The numbers are there. Cherry picked or taken in total. Is 6th best team in the SEC great? I don't know. It means you are probably in the Middle third of 60 or so, solidly mediocre.

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This simply isnt so. Take the entirety of all programs in the FBS Division today and Florida is about #20 all time in wins and winning %. Good and bad times included Florida is about the 5th or 6th best program in the SEC among charter members. Georgia and Tennessee are arguably 2 and 3 and pick 'em while LSU and Auburn are closer to them than Florida is. Cherry picked or not Florida is the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC of the original teams. The numbers are there. Cherry picked or taken in total. Is 6th best team in the SEC great? I don't know. It means you are probably in the Middle third of 60 or so, solidly mediocre.

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Florida was one of the worst teams in the conference in the first 40 years and has been one of the best teams in the conference in the last 40 years. Pretty much since the states population boom and college football started the modern era with scholarship restrictions in 1973.

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This is not true at all.

Take out the top two for Bama (Saban and Bear) and you still have Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, Gene Stallings and Bill Curry. Bunch of hall of fame coaches there.

Take out the top two for UGA (Smart and Dooley) and while it's not as good as Bama... it's still pretty good. Wally Butts and Mark Richt are both excellent coaches with great winning percentages in the cfb HOF.

UGA's had just 7 coaches since WW2. Four are in the college football hall of fame. Another is Kirby Smart who has a pretty good chance to end up there. The other two are Johnny Griffith (10-16-4 in 3 seasons) and Ray Goff (46-36-1 in 7 seasons). They're the only two UGA coaches since WW2 who've won less than 60% of their games

Jim Donnan is a bit of an edge case. He's in the HOF for what he did at Marshall. But he won 67.8% of his games at UGA. He's our Mullen/Graves.


UF... they've had 13 coaches since WW2. Spurrier and Meyer were awesome.

But other than them they have 6 guys who've won less than 60% of their games (Napier, Muschamp, Pell, Dickey, Woodruff, Wolf)

They've had 5 other guys who've won in the 60%-70% range.
Mullen - 69.4%
Graves - 68.6%
Hall - 68.6%
McElwein - 64.7%
Zook - 62.2%

All but Graves are generally viewed as failures by UF fans for various reasons.

Then they had their two hits (Meyer and Spurrier).

UF has a much lower percentage of coaches they've hit on than UGA... or most other schools in the same general "prestige" level. UF basically had 12 years under Spurrier, 6 under Meyer and MAYBE you include the 10 for Graves of successful stints. That's just 18-28 years.

UGA? 22 years under Wally Butts. 25 years under Vince Dooley. 15 years under Mark Richt. 9 years and counting under Kirby Smart. THat's 71 years post WW2 of successful/HOF level football for UGA.

It's NOT the same for every school.

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There is a saying in the world of Quality Assurance that you have to know what "good" looks like. I think we may have found a reason Florida is simply mediocre historically....they apparently think that, outside of Spurrier and Meyer, they are on par with everyone in the SEC outside of Alabama. They do not know what good looks like. They know what excellent looks like, Spurrier and Meyer - they have no idea what good looks like....and never will until they collectively realize that what has taken place outside of Spurrier and Meyer is acceptable.

There is a reason Alabama is heads and shoulders better than everyone in the SEC historically and one of the best 2 or 3 programs of all time. There is nothing magical west of the Chattahoochee River and East of the Mississippi State line...if there were Auburn would be comparable. It is not geography, it is expectations and demanding quality because you know what quality means. UF fans suffer from the delusion that the Spurrier era was comparable to the rest of their history as a program...apparently because they certainly seem to be making that argument. I for one am perfectly content to allow them their delusion, hell even encourage it - it means they will never get better than what they have been historically and there is only one thing close to drunk obnoxious Georgia fan for being fine and that is a delusional Florida fan in the throes of mediocrity or complete disarray. With that in mind -

Florida is a blue blood who can't be topped and never will. The bestest program in the history of CFB!

Youd be stupid to turn down Florida for OM.

OM, historically and now, is a stepping stone.

Hugh Freeze never won anything, Ed O didn't win until he got to LSU, Lane Kiffin won't win anything until he goes to his next stop (which is likely an actual school with hardware)

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Youd be stupid to turn down Florida for OM.

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He's leaving OM, but he isn't going to that dumpster fire in Gainseville.

Level headed take. I had a few interactions with Muschamp, and I always thought he was a really good guy. Even in that fourth year, I knew plenty of people that would run into him around Gainesville, and he'd always happily snap a picture with them.

Regardless of the memes and so on, he was almost everything you could ask for as an HC except for that winning enough games part. Obviously, that is the most important part.

Every other coach we've axed since then I couldn't have given a damn about, but Muschamp reminded me of firing one of my best friends from a band that was a relatively serious concern at the time. Loved the guy to death, but he just couldn't do the job we needed him to do.

Really wish Muschamp had solved the offense problem, and I agree that saddling him with Weiss that first season was the original sin. It may have gone the same way, given his offensive philosophy, but that damn sure didn't help things.

At least he never lost to UK or Tenn.