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re: Firing Gus isn't on the table right now.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:51 pm to taylorkeeton
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:51 pm to taylorkeeton
As has been stated in other Gus threads, AU should have never offered him that extension. Their hands are tied now. It's a really bad look to give your Coach that kind of show of support only to fire him a year later.
I'm not even talking money wise. I'm talking about the damage to the brand. What coach would want to go there if the AD runs so hot and cold like that?
I'm not even talking money wise. I'm talking about the damage to the brand. What coach would want to go there if the AD runs so hot and cold like that?
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:53 pm to weremoose
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I don't think Arkansas wanted Gus any more than they wanted Miles in 2012. I think they played Auburn to lock then into an unfavorable contract.
Yeah, because that's what ADs do...troll other schools. And why would Arkansas want him to stay at Auburn? Arkansas is the one school he could beat.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:54 pm to cardboardboxer
Keep believing that. You are going to feel pretty stupid when Gus is unemployed and the team is sitting home in December.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:55 pm to ibldprplgld
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What coach would want to go there if the AD runs so hot and cold like that?
Who cares? He's walking away with $32 million. No risk at all for a coach.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:55 pm to taylorkeeton
He has 2 SEC West division wins and an SEC title with a trip to the 2013 NC. Most SEC teams would be lucky to have him as an improvement. Only 2 better coaches are Saban and Jimbo.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:07 pm to GlossuRabban
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Keep believing that. You are going to feel pretty stupid when Gus is unemployed and the team is sitting home in December.
If the Auburn decision makers decide to light $32 million on fire because your fanbase has the patience of a five year old which therefore leads to your program having a second rate coach in 2019 because its all you can afford then I won't be the one feeling stupid.
That is the reality here: either yall waste $32 million and have to hire a second rate coach because its all you can afford, or you hold onto Gus for an extra year. There is no magic "we fire Gus AND afford a top rate coach" third option.
No reasonable person can think that having a second rate coach the next couple of years just to get rid of Gus is worth is, which is why I am saying he is staying.
But if yall throw logic out the window and fire him then yall will end up in a situation even WORSE for LONGER. Why would any Auburn fan want that?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:10 pm to ibldprplgld
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What coach would want to go there if the AD runs so hot and cold like that?
To be fair that has been their MO for years. No other program would have fired a coach one year removed from a national title like they did.
With that said, they have gotten really lucky for a long time that they can find good coaches for cheap (that is what Gus was at first) or they could set it up so they weren't locked in on any guy.
The day Arky called Gus's agent Auburn's luck ran out. Now they are mortal like the rest of us, and will probably have to deal with a dead man walking season like most programs do.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:30 pm to cardboardboxer
Too many threads on this subject for me to keep up with, but is there something in his contract where the buyout is reduced by his salary in a future job over the life of the contract? If so, that could lessen the damage somewhat. I guess you couldn't depend on that happening, but that could happen.
Just something for the big cigars at Auburn to consider.
Just something for the big cigars at Auburn to consider.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:14 pm to GlossuRabban
Auburn can not afford the buyout and still pay for a good coach.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:38 pm to weremoose
...arkanass did not want him....sexton found a couple of suckers in the new presi-idiot-dent and that super rich guy (forgot his name)....yeah, raymond harbertThis post was edited on 10/17/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:47 pm to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
This topic is burning you up.
And I think you're too focused on the budget itself. From everything I've read it's money coming outside the AD. So the athletic department cash flows will not see a huge hit in the form of a $15MM check to Gus.
Like I said yesterday, I am skeptical right now, but there is a ton of smoke about it.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:14 pm to TailbackU
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Who knows… the guy might turn it around at some point.
If he comes back and has a good year next year (Say 9-4) you would have him for 2-3 more years.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:19 pm to jawjaTiger
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Not great, but not a reason to fire in 2018 or 2019.
Exactly. Auburn might as well keep Gus to weather the Saban storm these last few years. Gus is the only one who has even won the West since 2011 other than Saban. Got 2 in '13 and '17. That is two more than everybody else in the West combined outside of Bama in that time frame. Changing coaches probably isn't going to do anything (except cost AU a lot money) until Saban leaves or declines. Might as well stick it out with him.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:42 pm to elposter
1. The boosters will pay for Gus’ buyout, it won’t be much of any financial implication to the University if he is fired this year. That changes if he is fired next Dec. 16 million in due 30 days after termination. The rest is paid out in 4 million dollar increments.
2. Gus is incapable of developing QB talent in and WR talent is continually squandered. Who is the best WR in the NFL, Sammie Coates who is a #3 at best only because he vertically stretches defenses with speed. Duke and Nate Craig Meyers both have NFL talent.
3. He averages 8 wins a year with Top 10 talent and some great defenses. Gus has lost every bowl game he has played except Memphis in a rainy morning Birmingham Bowl. fricking shoot me.
4. Gus is too proud to take accountability and realize he is incapable of running his O without a fast and mobile QB. He cannot have a pocket QB like Stidham and succeed regularly. If he wasnt so ignorant he would bring in a new offensive scheme entirely and just implement a few wrinkles.
It’s unlikely but Gus may go 6-6 and keep his job for another year. Regardless he isn’t the right coach for Auburn long term so just cut the cord now.
2. Gus is incapable of developing QB talent in and WR talent is continually squandered. Who is the best WR in the NFL, Sammie Coates who is a #3 at best only because he vertically stretches defenses with speed. Duke and Nate Craig Meyers both have NFL talent.
3. He averages 8 wins a year with Top 10 talent and some great defenses. Gus has lost every bowl game he has played except Memphis in a rainy morning Birmingham Bowl. fricking shoot me.
4. Gus is too proud to take accountability and realize he is incapable of running his O without a fast and mobile QB. He cannot have a pocket QB like Stidham and succeed regularly. If he wasnt so ignorant he would bring in a new offensive scheme entirely and just implement a few wrinkles.
It’s unlikely but Gus may go 6-6 and keep his job for another year. Regardless he isn’t the right coach for Auburn long term so just cut the cord now.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:05 pm to Marines4Auburn
The President, heavily influenced by a single booster, inked the contract.
Most Auburn fans were ok with an extension and raise...nobody wanted $7 million a year over 7 years with 75% guaranteed. The BOT balked at the contract but Leath flexed his honeymoon muscles and got the deal done.
Most Auburn fans would have understood a 4 year extension around $5.5 million maybe even $6 million with a reasonable buyout.
The problem is simple...Gus' O is extremely bi-polar it always has been.
In 2009 we broke several records but the O was a no show in several SEC Games.
In 2010 with Cam we barely beat several opponents Cam unleashed could have beaten by 3 scores.
In 2013 and 2014 Gus' O seemed unstoppable, but in 2014 his red zone issues began to show their ugly head.
Since then outside of a 5 or 6 game stretch in 2017 and 4 game stretch against nobody in 2016 the O has been anemic.
The fanbase is constantly showered with rumors and facts about how bad Gus' is approach is in terms of duty allocation to assistants, roster management, talent evaluation, practice habitats, micro in game decisions (who plays on what downs, literally calling subs himself, etc...) Leath doesn't understand the game enough to see all these red flags hence the decision to award him a contract based on winning an SEC title, SEC West titles and making a BCS title game appearance...accolades in some form or fashion every coach at Auburn in the modern era has also experienced, relatively.
Ironically, if Gus can get out of his own way he'd probably do great. I don't see Auburn fans putting up with his ego anymore.
Most Auburn fans were ok with an extension and raise...nobody wanted $7 million a year over 7 years with 75% guaranteed. The BOT balked at the contract but Leath flexed his honeymoon muscles and got the deal done.
Most Auburn fans would have understood a 4 year extension around $5.5 million maybe even $6 million with a reasonable buyout.
The problem is simple...Gus' O is extremely bi-polar it always has been.
In 2009 we broke several records but the O was a no show in several SEC Games.
In 2010 with Cam we barely beat several opponents Cam unleashed could have beaten by 3 scores.
In 2013 and 2014 Gus' O seemed unstoppable, but in 2014 his red zone issues began to show their ugly head.
Since then outside of a 5 or 6 game stretch in 2017 and 4 game stretch against nobody in 2016 the O has been anemic.
The fanbase is constantly showered with rumors and facts about how bad Gus' is approach is in terms of duty allocation to assistants, roster management, talent evaluation, practice habitats, micro in game decisions (who plays on what downs, literally calling subs himself, etc...) Leath doesn't understand the game enough to see all these red flags hence the decision to award him a contract based on winning an SEC title, SEC West titles and making a BCS title game appearance...accolades in some form or fashion every coach at Auburn in the modern era has also experienced, relatively.
Ironically, if Gus can get out of his own way he'd probably do great. I don't see Auburn fans putting up with his ego anymore.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:21 pm to Tigerman97
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The President, heavily influenced by a single booster, inked the contract.
Most Auburn fans were ok with an extension and raise...nobody wanted $7 million a year over 7 years with 75% guaranteed. The BOT balked at the contract but Leath flexed his honeymoon muscles and got the deal done.
Most Auburn fans would have understood a 4 year extension around $5.5 million maybe even $6 million with a reasonable buyout.
This. We've been plenty patient with Gus over the years. After this season, Gus Malzahn will have been employed by Auburn for 9 years, including his years as offensive coordinator. He's not changing his ways.
Ideally Gus keeps us competing the next few years, and we part ways after 4 years. But the loss in revenue would likely be greater than CGM's buyout if the team continues the path it's on. He really needs a win Saturday.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:38 pm to jawjaTiger
Just my opinion but seems to me he has the wrong qb for his scheme. I think a true dual threat with passing ability is what he needs. He has tried to adapt his offense with a pro style guy and it is not working.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:22 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
Thank God for Arkansas!
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:24 pm to cardboardboxer
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To be fair that has been their MO for years. No other program would have fired a coach one year removed from a national title like they did.
In our defense, what's Gene Chizik doing right now? He's a pro-Auburn dude with a TV job. We didn't ruin his career, he just wasn't an SEC HC and I think he probably knows that. He did catch lightning in a bottle and he handled a wildly dramatic season in a way that was perfect - but probably not repeatable.
I agree we may have gotten lucky in that Chizik was a bad hire that we got a NC out of, and we got a NC appearance out of Malzahn. That said, I don't really think Malzahn is a truly incapable coach, but we may be past the point of pulling it together, here.
A loss to Ole Miss means 5 straight seasons of 4 losses or more. In all likelihood, if he finishes the year it'll be 4 out of the last 5 season with at least 5 losses. Not a lot of programs of comparable stature would put up with that.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:48 pm to Pettifogger
Gus will pull a rabbit out of his pants, kick OM arse and Liberty, get to a bowl game piss it away and Aubs will be gripping about the same old shite this time next year.
Gus is the same, nothings changed and these same conversations raise their ugly head every year.
Gus is the same, nothings changed and these same conversations raise their ugly head every year.
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