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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:36 am to The Mick
I think it has more to do with the off-field structure at Alabama, myself. It seems like Saban does a great job keeping his players in line for the most part, almost so much so that they have difficulty doing the right things to be successful on their own as pros.
Had someone like Rolando McClain gone to a LSU, UF, or UGA, I suspect he would have flamed out well before he made it to the pros. The upside of that would have been the chance to grow from that experience and recover his career, similar to what Isaiah Crowell has done.
That's all pure speculation on my part.
Had someone like Rolando McClain gone to a LSU, UF, or UGA, I suspect he would have flamed out well before he made it to the pros. The upside of that would have been the chance to grow from that experience and recover his career, similar to what Isaiah Crowell has done.
That's all pure speculation on my part.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:39 am to The Mick
This is easy to explain. Better coaching at the college level.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:39 am to The Mick
Because they are used to having that great supporting cast around them. Bama usually has all these big names, good players, all americans and what not. On both sides of the ball. They are ranked highly because they only have to compensate for their part and their part only. Easy to shine when you have a lot of talent around you. But when you go to a average team is when you get exposed. I'm telling you. Watch out for AJ. I think he's gonna be the biggest bust in this class, CJ Mosely, I think he can hold him and I think he's gonna do his thing in the league.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:43 am to The Mick
We had the worst #1 pick ever. That's really Al's fault, but it makes this thread silly and moot. I dont agree with OP's assertion anyway. It's based mostly on 2 running backs. Poor sampling.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:52 am to The Mick
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:54 am to Camo Tiger 337
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Watch out for AJ. I think he's gonna be the biggest bust in this class,
You have to have expectations to be a bust. No one outside Bama fans (who rightfully support a former player) think the guy will have a great NFL career. If that is the case how can he be a bust?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:56 am to Aman
Wasnt there a thread that was on the front page for like 3 days that proved that they both had the same amount of success?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:58 am to The Mick
The factual premise of the OP is faulty to begin with. I don't fault you, OP, it's a common misperception that is perpetuated on this board. The misperception is caused mostly because Saban is simply a better coach that better maximizes his player's talents in college than does Miles. Consequently, LSU players often come out with lower expectations (and lower draft positions) even though though they are every bit as talented as Bama players. They have more unrealized potential to be tapped by the good coaching they receive in the NFL.
There is not some wide variance in NFL production between Bama and LSU players. It's just a perception difference because people like the OP expect greatness from Bama players because they have already seen it. On the other hand they are pleasantly (or maybe not pleasantly) surprised to see that those LSU players were just as good but they just didn't reach that potential under Miles.
There is not some wide variance in NFL production between Bama and LSU players. It's just a perception difference because people like the OP expect greatness from Bama players because they have already seen it. On the other hand they are pleasantly (or maybe not pleasantly) surprised to see that those LSU players were just as good but they just didn't reach that potential under Miles.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:01 am to The Mick
tell us about how Sam Montgomery is doing in the NFL
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:09 am to TreyAnastasio
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Wasnt there a thread that was on the front page for like 3 days that proved that they both had the same amount of success?
Yes, added below.
The reality of the matter is both of these schools produce far more 1st round picks than pretty much any other school in the country and given the NFL Draft is still a crap shoot, they will have a larger number of busts. In saying that, % wise each school has the same number of busts as any other school.
I have put the players who I believe have been successful in bold. The others either have not lived up to expectations or the jury is still out on.
LSU: 6/12
1 6 Barkevious Mingo Defensive End Cleveland Browns
1 18 Eric Reid Safety San Francisco 49ers
1 6 Morris Claiborne Cornerback Dallas Cowboys
1 14 Michael Brockers DT St. Louis Rams
1 5 Patrick Peterson Cornerback Arizona Cardinals
1 3 Tyson Jackson Defensive End Kansas City Chiefs
1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Kansas City Chiefs
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Quarterback Oakland Raiders
1 6 LaRon Landry Free Safety Washington Redskins
1 23 Dwayne Bowe Wide Receiver Kansas City Chiefs
1 30 Craig Davis Wide Receiver San Diego Chargers
1 30 Joseph Addai Running Back Indianapolis Colts
Alabama: 7/14
1 9 Dee Milliner Cornerback New York Jets
1 10 Chance Warmack Guard Tennessee Titans
1 11 D. J. Fluker Offensive tackle San Diego Chargers
1 3 Trent Richardson Running back Cleveland Browns
1 7 Mark Barron Safety Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Cornerback Cincinnati Bengals
1 25 Dont'a Hightower Linebacker New England Patriots
1 3 Marcell Dareus Defensive tackle Buffalo Bills
1 6 Julio Jones Wide receiver Atlanta Falcons
1 25 James Carpenter Offensive tackle Seattle Seahawks
1 28 Mark Ingram Running back New Orleans Saints
1 8 Rolando McClain Linebacker Oakland Raiders
1 20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Houston Texans
1 6 Andre Smith Offensive tackle Cincinnati Bengals
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:10 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Never understood why anyone thought Sam was anything but average to begin with. And undersized.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:13 am to The Mick
This is the biggest myth on the SEC Rant and around football circles in general.
We've had 14 players drafted in the first round of the NFL draft since Saban took over, and all but 3 of them are starters on their respective teams. We've also got numerous late rounders who are doing quite well, including undrafted free agents who have started for their NFL team.
Give this crap a rest.
We've had 14 players drafted in the first round of the NFL draft since Saban took over, and all but 3 of them are starters on their respective teams. We've also got numerous late rounders who are doing quite well, including undrafted free agents who have started for their NFL team.
Give this crap a rest.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:16 am to The Mick
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3. Saban overworks his players (RB's especially) in NCAA and they are burnt when they get to NFL. (this is silly imo)
Sorta comical he tried the player safety angle to stop the HUNH recently.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:17 am to BamaDoc14
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1 9 Dee Milliner Cornerback New York Jets
Started for the Jets as a rookie and recorded 55 tackles and 3 INT.
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1 25 James Carpenter Offensive tackle Seattle Seahawks
Starter for the Superbowl Champions.
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1 20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Houston Texans
Started all 14 games for the Texans, recorded 56 tackles and 9 PBU.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:19 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Alabama routinely plays 3 RBs a game and only wants them to get a certain number of carries a game.
I guess poor Tre Mason is so run down after last year his career is already over?
I guess poor Tre Mason is so run down after last year his career is already over?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:21 am to Phat Phil
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Because Bama = NFL Bust U
Tell us some more about how no one will replicate Tennessee's winning percentage in the 90s
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:21 am to The Mick
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but there's a consensus that Bama players are overrated and don't pan out as much in the NFL.
Like who?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:22 am to BamaDoc14
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I have put the players who I believe have been successful in bold.
Define successful
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:23 am to StopRobot
quote:Like 75% of national sports media. Climb out of your hole and open your ears.
Like who?
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