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re: Everyone pretty much agrees that Will Wade is done correct?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:14 pm to momentoftruth87
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:14 pm to momentoftruth87
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This might be one of the most ignorant responses I have ever seen on here. That is a National Championship and won fair and square without any drama. What a shite response/question.
I don't know, man.
It's either total shitposting or a clever troll that you chomped down on hard.
I can't decide.
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:19 pm to momentoftruth87
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And how much do you think they really care? Are they bringing in money? Have they done their part by ensuring the university doesn't get in trouble? Have they reached out to Wade to resolve this?
Bringing in money is not the primary objective of the athletic department.
Look at the Wade situation. Your post points out problems with how it has been handled. If they want to fire Will Wade, they should have done it already. If they want to reinstate him, that should have been done already. If Wade is fired, then this has been another monumental frick up by the department. Who would be our coach if Wade is fired? Way behind on the coaching search.
They botched the firing of Les Miles and both coaching searches before and after he was fired.
It's not all about turning a profit and covering your arse.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:21 pm to LouisvilleKat
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before the lawdogs at the NCAA actually finish him
tell us more, UK fan. We don't know what that's about, and you do.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:24 pm to Jebadeb
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Bringing in money is not the primary objective of the athletic department.
In sports entertainment, money is all that matters.
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Look at the Wade situation. Your post points out problems with how it has been handled. If they want to fire Will Wade, they should have done it already. If they want to reinstate him, that should have been done already. If Wade is fired, then this has been another monumental frick up by the department. Who would be our coach if Wade is fired? Way behind on the coaching search.
They botched the firing of Les Miles and both coaching searches before and after he was fired.
It's not all about turning a profit and covering your arse
I agree with you that the AD is fricked up in that regard, but LSU fans won't accept the reason that it is like this.
It's also a moot argument because the Ed Orgeron hiring was dumb, but yet LSU fans continue to support it. Until he loses then fans will say it's the worst hire ever.
I'm not arguing that your AD isn't dicked up, I'm arguing that you fans are supporting the wrong people here. If you fired your AD, do you think a new AD would keep Wade? I don't think so. If they did, they would be a yes man for boosters which is ignorant in itself.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:26 pm to momentoftruth87
LSU fans are delusional as frick
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:27 pm to yatesdog38
I could really go for some Cheetos and peach fanta.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:31 pm to Jebadeb
quote:please never ever change, Baw
No, we don't all agree on that.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:33 pm to AndyWoods
It's hysterical. LSU fans live in a world of delusion. He's going to get fired but by the time they do so all of the good coaches will be settled and they'll end up with a promoted assistant or Stansbury. 
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:35 pm to 85AustinAg
Stansbury the dough, boy!
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:36 pm to momentoftruth87
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Everyone pretty much agrees that Will Wade is done correct?
Maybe, but whatever the case, Joe Alleva seems like he's going to make sure the LSU basketball program slowly bleeds out before making that decision. This is why I'm glad I have never let my self get emotionally invested in the basketball program like I am with football and baseball. By the time Alleva decides what to do, LSU won't have a coach, won't have a team, or both. But this is par for the course with LSU basketball since the 80s....follow up a great season with terrible seasons. And people wonder why the fanbase rarely supports the program.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:38 pm to TxTiger82
quote:i think both will happen.
Anyways, firing Wade and firing Alleva are not mutually exclusive outcomes.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:41 pm to lsufball19
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Maybe, but whatever the case, Joe Alleva seems like he's going to make sure the LSU basketball program slowly bleeds out before making that decision. This is why I'm glad I have never let my self get emotionally invested in the basketball program like I am with football and baseball. By the time Alleva decides what to do, LSU won't have a coach, won't have a team, or both. But this is par for the course with LSU basketball since the 80s....follow up a great season with terrible seasons. And people wonder why the fanbase rarely supports the program
I don't think anyone disagrees that the AD is making it worse, but again, the only fault of theirs is hiring Will Wade, letting this happen under their watch, and sitting there doing nothing. But, Wade is the idiot responsible for this stand still. The AD has given him chances to come in and he has been the insubordinate one.
I think most people feel like you guys are about to fall apart and it's due to Will Wade's accusations against him and now the AD not moving on something. They (AD) do know that they will piss people off, but it's not their fault. It's actually Will Wade making the situation worse by putting the AD in the corner.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:42 pm to momentoftruth87
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It's also a moot argument because the Ed Orgeron hiring was dumb, but yet LSU fans continue to support it. Until he loses then fans will say it's the worst hire ever.
dude, there are PLENTY of people that still hate Ed Orgeron (it's probably 50/50 right now). A pretty small minority were happy with him being hired when he was and most were pissed at how the hiring process went, and those that support him currently are mostly doing so cautiously, which I think is fair. I also think it's fair to say that Orgeron hasn't given people reason to hate the job he's done so far.
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If you fired your AD, do you think a new AD would keep Wade? I don't think so. If they did, they would be a yes man for boosters which is ignorant in itself.
I think a different AD and university president would have handled this situation much more efficiently and pragmatically than Alleva has. It made no sense to clear Smart but continue to suspend Wade. But this continuing indefinite suspension is not helping anything. LSU needs an AD that isn't scared to make a decision and is a leader. Alleva is the opposite of a leader. He caves to outside pressure and lets others make decisions for him. And this isn't only about Wade. This has been who he is since he was at Duke. LSU never should have hired him in the first place.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:47 pm to momentoftruth87
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The AD has given him chances to come in and he has been the insubordinate one.
Here's how it went. Joe Alleva and F King offered to meet with Wade. Wade spoke to his attorneys and later agreed to meet. Then, Wade was informed this meeting would be with Joe Alleva, F King Alexander, LSU attorneys, LSU compliance, and they invited the NCAA (the NCAA didn't request to be there). They also said Wade couldn't have his attorneys present. With a pending subpoena in federal court, Alleva knew good and well Wade wouldn't and couldn't agree to a meeting on those terms. Had he not been subpoenaed, this is a completely differernt situation, but that is very relevant that many seem to be ignoring. And the terms to which Alleva wanted met for a meeting was setting up Wade not only for an ambush/interrogation but it would also expose everyone at that meeting for a subpoena and Wade's statements at that meeting to be used against him in Court.
If Alleva had stuck to the initial terms of the meeting with Wade, the meeting would have happened over a month ago. But due to Alleva's and Alexander's repeated incompetence, they have made this entire situation something it never needed to be. And then they doubled-down and made Wade their adversary instead of trying to work with him and constantly blasted him in the media. Wade may very likely be inevitably fired and may very well should be fired, but how things have transpired a ton of fault lies with the LSU administration. it's very apparent Alleva and Alexander care more about themselves than the LSU basketball program. Coaches get fired all the time, but the actions they have taken have made trying to mitigate those damages as difficult as possible.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:49 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
Nicely stated and as accurate on both fronts as I have read here or on Tiger Rant.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 12:56 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
I appreciate your info and arguments, so don't take my counters in a negative way. You seem pretty reasonable and giving good facts. My question though, if they were ambushing him, why not just fire him now for insubordination?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 1:00 pm to momentoftruth87
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why not just fire him now for insubordination?
because the provision of his contract is questionable if it would qualify as cause to fire him. The language talks about if he unreasonably refuses to comply with their requests. It is very arguable whether not speaking with them due to a pending subpoena is unreasonable or not. If they were confident his "insubordination" was cause to fire him right now, they would have already done it (that 10 day period came and went weeks ago). Also, I think it would be a very tough sell for LSU in a potential wrongful termination lawsuit to say it was reasonable to have all those people at the meeting but refuse to allow Wade to have legal counsel present, especially given the underlying subpoena. So LSU can lawyer up but Wade can't? This isn't your typical employee/employer relationship. When you're dealing with $10MM more on a contract, an employee that makes more than his employers, and millions in litigation costs and potential damages, that changes the game a bit. The only language Alleva and F King understand is money. If they are potentially facing paying all of Wade's remaining contract ($10MM), his attorney fees, their attorney fees, and potential damages....they have to be damn sure they'll prevail and I think it is questionable at best right now.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 1:04 pm to lsufball19
Yes because both sides are idiots. That's why it's hard to see why you fans defend Will Wade.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 1:11 pm to momentoftruth87
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That's why it's hard to see why you fans defend Will Wade.
I don't defend Wade for any NCAA rules he may have broken. But, as an attorney who would have advised Wade exactly the same, I do understand why he has taken the actions he has since he was suspended by not agreeing to meet with LSU under the terms offered. The people who blindly support Wade regardless of anything else, you know they are just doing so because he was/is a good coach. That's just part of having a fanbase. Some are blind loyalists and some have reason. You're always going to have both sides of the spectrum in any large fanbase.
IMO, what should have happened, is they had an informal meeting with Wade under the original offered terms (a meeting with just Wade, Alleva, and F King). Wade could tell them whatever, then they make an announcement that they have met with Wade and will continue to investigate the allegations made in the Yahoo article (basically what Arizona did with Sean Miller). But the minute they let Smart play, Wade should have been coaching. That just sends a very contradictory message, not only to the fans but also to the NCAA. If their goal is to avoid LOIC (which honestly, I don't think cooperation helps out at all after we saw what happened to Missouri), playing Smart shows the NCAA they are aware a player may be ineligible but they're going to play him anyways. Just not a very logical move IMO. It's seriously turned into a complete joke, almost as if Alleva is seeing just how poorly he can handle the situation.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 1:16 pm to momentoftruth87
Worked out pretty good for Pearl.
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