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re: ESPN: Ranking the 10 best coaches in college football for 2025
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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93 was the last year they had a BCS/NY6 bowl win until 2024 I believe.
So not a single BCS/NY6 bowl win until Marcus Freeman took over for Brian Kelly.
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Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:25 pm to TideSaint
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So not a single BCS/NY6 bowl win until Marcus Freeman took over for Brian Kelly
Correct.
Kelly faced 2012 Bama, 2015 Ohio State, 2018 Clemson, and 2020 Bama, which were a combined 53-2.
He got Notre Dame to a NY6 bowl in 2021 but Freeman coached the game and lost it vs 12-2 Oklahoma State.
Then Freeman beat 11-3 Georgia this year to win the Sugar Bowl.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:44 pm to TideSaint
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So not a single BCS/NY6 bowl win until Marcus Freeman took over for Brian Kelly.
The level of competition in those games is not the same. Kelly was a double digit dog in 3 of his 4 big bowl games.
Kelly
2012 - L - Bama - 10 point underdog
2015 - L - OSU - 3.5 point underdog
2018 - L - Clemson - 10.5 point underdog
2020 - L - Bama - 19 point underdog
Kelly Season / Freeman Bowl:
2021 - L - Oklahoma St - 2.5 point favorite
Freeman
2024 - W - Indiana - 7 point favorite
2024 - W - UGA - 1.5 point favorite
2024 - W - PSU - 1.5 point underdog
2024 - L - OSU - 8.5 point underdog
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:46 pm to SammyTiger
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a 20 million dollar roster, and 2 free loses.
Who's talking about the aggies??
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:58 pm to TideSaint
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1. Kirby Smart, Georgia
Does this consider him being 1-9 against Alabama, getting slapped around by Notre Dame, having a one score lead against UMass, and straight up losing to Georgia Tech until the refs bailed him out (again) last year? Just want to be sure of the criteria .
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:06 pm to John Casey
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The level of competition in those games is not the same.
C'mon man.
Opponents that go a combined 53-2 are definitely the same as those who go a combined 61-12.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Kelly faced 2012 Bama, 2015 Ohio State, 2018 Clemson, and *2020 Bama, which were a combined 53-2.
I don't think so, catdaddy, you're not going to use a national championship team on your list that you've continually said "didn't count" because of COVID and needs an asterisk. Can't have it both ways. That team was either great or it wasn't, and it doesn't depend on when you need them to help your argument at the time.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:17 pm to Summer of Jimbo
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Does this consider him being 1-9 against Alabama, getting slapped around by Notre Dame, having a one score lead against UMass, and straight up losing to Georgia Tech until the refs bailed him out (again) last year? Just want to be sure of the criteria .
Yes. Who would you put #1?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:19 pm to NWLA_Bama
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I don't think so, catdaddy, you're not going to use a national championship team on your list that you've continually said "didn't count" because of COVID and needs an asterisk. Can't have it both ways. That team was either great or it wasn't, and it doesn't depend on when you need them to help your argument at the time.
Why can't it be both?
The 2020 Bama team was way more talented than the 2020 Notre Dame team it played at the end of the season, hence the almost 20 point spread.
It's all relative. Freeman has never been a double digit underdog vs any team he's faced in a NY6/CFP game.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:23 pm to John Casey
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Why can't it be both?
Because it's a contradiction.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:28 pm to NWLA_Bama
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I don't think so, catdaddy, you're not going to use a national championship team on your list that you've continually said "didn't count" because of COVID and needs an asterisk.
Please link to where I said 2020 didn't count.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:30 pm to NWLA_Bama
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Because it's a contradiction.
But it isn't.
The argument is that Kelly had to face more talented teams in his BCS/NY6/CFP matchups than Freeman, and 2020 Bama was way more talented than 2020 Notre Dame.
Notre Dame and Alabama played in a playoff game in 2020. Whether the rest of that season is lesser than any other season in the grand scheme of college football history due to COVID is a moot point.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:45 pm to John Casey
So Kelly was 0-4 in NY6/CFP/BCS games at Notre Dame and Freeman is 3-2.
Did you consider that the reason Freeman doesn’t tend to be a double digit underdog in what should be evenly matched bowl games and Kelly has been many times is that Vegas odds makers don’t think Brian Kelly teams are all that great? That is what those spreads say.
Now, at LSU Kelly can’t even make a NY6/CFP game.
Kelly has a very long, established history of failing to rise to the occasion when the lights are brightest on the big stage. But he will get you 8-10 wins most seasons.
If he doesn’t make the playoffs this year he never will. He will be the answer to a trivia question “what college football coach has the most wins all time with zero playoff wins?”
Did you consider that the reason Freeman doesn’t tend to be a double digit underdog in what should be evenly matched bowl games and Kelly has been many times is that Vegas odds makers don’t think Brian Kelly teams are all that great? That is what those spreads say.
Now, at LSU Kelly can’t even make a NY6/CFP game.
Kelly has a very long, established history of failing to rise to the occasion when the lights are brightest on the big stage. But he will get you 8-10 wins most seasons.
If he doesn’t make the playoffs this year he never will. He will be the answer to a trivia question “what college football coach has the most wins all time with zero playoff wins?”
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:51 pm to captdalton
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Did you consider that the reason Freeman doesn’t tend to be a double digit underdog in what should be evenly matched bowl games and Kelly has been many times is that Vegas odds makers don’t think Brian Kelly teams are all that great? That is what those spreads say.
"Opponents that go a combined 53-2 are definitely the same as those who go a combined 61-12."
-crapdalton
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
The frenetic defense, Day 3.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:22 pm to cajunbama
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The frenetic defense, Day 3.
It's working so well that Alabubbas are flailing about and having to equate their all time tGOAT 2020 team to the amazing 2024 Indiana Hoosiers.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:25 pm to Summer of Jimbo
Does your post consider you being a homo, wacking to a dirty magazine in the basement while I was pleasing your wife..."for a change". Her words, not miine. Idiot 
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:26 pm to cajunbama
He's an extremely stupid son of a bitch.
Good to laugh at though.
Good to laugh at though.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:26 pm to cajunbama
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The frenetic defense, Day 3.
"Brian Kelly is the #2 coach in the SEC!" -SidewalkFelonTiger
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:29 pm to GoGators1995
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"Brian Kelly is the #2 coach in the SEC"
In win percentage at current school, yes.
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