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re: ESPN: Ranking the 10 best coaches in college football for 2025
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:30 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:30 am to SidewalkTiger
I think the point he was making was the second set of coaches, though winning in their first year, didn't end up as HOF coaches while the previous list did, but didn't do well in their first year. I really think that was the point....
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Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:38 am to John Casey
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He's maintained what Kelly built and had it still been a 4 team playoff, Notre Dame would have been right where it was in the last 2 seasons of Kelly. Kelly's last 2 seasons at Notre Dame, Notre Dame finished 4th and 5th in the CFP Rankings.
Wait, you think Brian Kelly built Notre Dame football?
What do you think about the fact that Brian Kelly’s winning percentage at Notre Dame was 70.2%, lower than Notre Dame’s all time win percentage of .73.2%. And Kelly added zero national championships.
If anything, Brian Kelly held Notre Dame back. Notre Dame was not upset he left, and that tells you everything you need to know.
Five years ago, LSU fans regularly ridiculed Notre Dame for never achieving anything. Now that Brian Kelly is LSU’s coach they have done a 180, propping Notre Dame up as the most impressive football program in football when he was there.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:41 am to AwgustaDawg
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This is what I was referring to....it looked like ND was headed into the toilet initially under Freeman...he has turned it around. Jury is still out but he appears to be heading in the right direction....
It will be interesting to see. Freeman really lucked out with the playoff expansion otherwise they would've been sitting at home.
Probably an entire different offseason conversation there if that happens.
Their playoff draw was also fortuitous in that none of the teams they faced had elite level skill talent, especially in the passing game. That's been the downfall of Notre Dame for so long.
Once they ran into Ohio State, who did have that level of talent, Ohio State pretty much did whatever they wanted.
I think Freeman is supremely overrated at #4 though.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:43 am to NWLA_Bama
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I think the point he was making was the second set of coaches, though winning in their first year, didn't end up as HOF coaches while the previous list did, but didn't do well in their first year. I really think that was the point....
Yes, exactly. The first year of a coaches’ tenure is a bad predictor of how they will do long term.
For example, LSU fans felt the sky was the limit after Kelly won the SEC west in his very first season. Since then though they have regressed two seasons in a row.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:44 am to captdalton
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If anything, Brian Kelly held Notre Dame back
Another dumbass take brought to you by crapdalton
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Notre Dame was not upset he left, and that tells you everything you need to know.
Oklahoma fans weren't upset when Lincoln Riley left either, fans always pretend they're going to be better going forward.
It's called "coping."
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
You LOVE winning percentage as the best way to measure a coach. Here is how Notre Dame coaches of the last 60 years rank based on their winning percentage at Notre Dame.
Parseghian - 84.8% (won national championship)
Holtz -76.9% (won national championship)
Devine - 76.8% (won national championship)
Freeman - 76.7%
Kelly - 70.2%
Willingham - 58.3%
Davie - 58.3%
Weiss - 56.5%
Faust - 53.5%
Kelly is 5th. Numbers don’t lie.
Parseghian - 84.8% (won national championship)
Holtz -76.9% (won national championship)
Devine - 76.8% (won national championship)
Freeman - 76.7%
Kelly - 70.2%
Willingham - 58.3%
Davie - 58.3%
Weiss - 56.5%
Faust - 53.5%
Kelly is 5th. Numbers don’t lie.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:24 pm to TideSaint
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7. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Bahahahahahaha
What dumbass wrote this article
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:45 pm to captdalton
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You LOVE winning percentage as the best way to measure a coach. Here is how Notre Dame coaches of the last 60 years rank based on their winning percentage at Notre Dame.
Key words there.
Notre Dame really fell off in the late 80's and early 90's. Brian Kelly brought them back to the national stage and Freeman has maintained that.
It'd be like saying that Heupel is holding Tennessee back when he's the one who has them winning again.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:03 pm to captdalton
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You LOVE winning percentage as the best way to measure a coach. Here is how Notre Dame coaches of the last 60 years rank based on their winning percentage at Notre Dame.
We're just going to ignore how bad the 3 coaches immediately preceding Kelly were before Kelly returned Notre Dame to relevance?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:03 pm to TideSaint
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7. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Yikes. Dude lost 4 games with Nick Sabans roster. Something Saban didn't let happen the last 17 years, this loser comes in and drops 4 immediately.
This feels like a default ranking. "Hurrrr well hes at Alabama so hes gotta be a grate coach!".
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:07 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:30 left after Saban retired,
Nick Sabans roster.
Would take him all day everyday over a horrible person like Kelly.
And he slaughtered him year one. RTR
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:16 pm to TT9
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Would take him all day everyday over a horrible person like Kelly.
DeBoer has his own skeletons in the closet at Washington.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:20 pm to John Casey
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We're just going to ignore how bad the 3 coaches immediately preceding Kelly were before Kelly returned Notre Dame to relevance?
In crapdalton's world, Notre Dame was in title contention every year until Kelly started "holding them back".
He doesn't realize there was an arms race in CFB in the 90's and early 2000's which changed the landscape and some blue bloods were left in the dust.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
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In crapdalton's world, Notre Dame was in title contention every year until Kelly started "holding them back".
I'd be fine if people believed Kelly wasn't the right guy to get Notre Dame over the National Title hump if they felt he got Notre Dame as far as he could, but to just discount Kelly's whole tenure at Notre Dame, when he returned them to consistent relevancy, is just stupid.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:29 pm to John Casey
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I'd be fine if people believed Kelly wasn't the right guy to get Notre Dame over the National Title hump if they felt he got Notre Dame as far as he could, but to just discount Kelly's whole tenure at Notre Dame, when he returned then to consistent relevancy, is just stupid.
That's right before they pretend Notre Dame is somehow "better" now
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame really fell off in the late 80's and early 90's
Notre Dame’s record in the late 80’s and early 90’s.
87: 8-4
88: 12-0 national champ
89: 12-1
90: 9-3
91: 10-3
92: 10-1-1
93: 11-1
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:51 pm to captdalton
You are arguing with an autist that will never stop.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:00 pm to captdalton
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Notre Dame’s record in the late 80’s and early 90’s.
87: 8-4
88: 12-0 national champ
89: 12-1
90: 9-3
91: 10-3
92: 10-1-1
93: 11-1
My bad, they started falling off in the early to mid 90's. In the span between 1994 and Kelly being hired, they had only two 10 win seasons.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame really fell off in the late 80's and early 90's.
Think you have your years wrong, they were arguably the best program in the entire nation from 88-93, end of Holtz and the Davie years was when the bottom started falling out (hilarious since Notre Dame beat Davie twice in consecutive years in the Cotton Bowl in the early 90s when he was Texas A&M's DC)
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:07 pm to Gen Patton
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Think you have your years wrong, they were arguably the best program in the entire nation from 88-93, end of Holtz and the Davie years was when the bottom started falling out
I do, it was more like 94 on, 93 was the last year they had a BCS/NY6 bowl win until 2024 I believe.
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