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re: Dye vs Chizik legacy
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:06 pm to Warfarer
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:06 pm to Warfarer
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He took a team that was completely torn in half by a power struggle at the end of Tubs' tenure and won a championship.
I feel that is true as well. I wasn't high on Chizik when he was hired. I even snickered at the thought. Two years later I boggled at how "improved" he was. Maybe thats whats going on now. The rollercoaster ride for you guys is crazy. I've tried to look for similar incidents in CFB and for the life of me can't find a parallel with any other program. Chizik is a true anomaly.
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Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:10 pm to stat19
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I even snickered at the thought.
I initially thought he was a bad hire but changed my mind after the 2009 season. In hindsight, though, it looks like he was a bad hire who hired a good offensive coordinator in Gus Malzahn and survived 2009 and 2010 with good talent left over from Tuberville's tenure.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:20 pm to wdeinttown
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I initially thought he was a bad hire but changed my mind after the 2009 season. In hindsight, though, it looks like he was a bad hire who hired a good offensive coordinator in Gus Malzahn and survived 2009 and 2010 with good talent left over from Tuberville's tenure.
Honestly, a head coaches number 1 job is to get the right coaches in place to make the team go in the same direction. He did that with the original staff. His problem came when he made the same mistake as Tubs did his whole career, he tried to shoehorn coordinators onto a group of assistants that didn't buy in.
Despite anyone else's opinion of Trooper and Luper being great men, I think both are undermining the offense at this point and undermining Chizik. I feel like both possibly wanted the OC job and neither got a look and they haven't done shite since.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:35 pm to Warfarer
Chizik's 2010 coaching year was something of beauty. Some will never admit that but it truly was. He held a team and player together that was one of the most scrutinized in recent NCAA history to a 14-0 record and a BCS National Championship. FOr that, I will never forget him.
But what is showing now, is his ability to advance a program and develop it. Which is where his coaching abilities end.
But what is showing now, is his ability to advance a program and develop it. Which is where his coaching abilities end.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:38 pm to Warfarer
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Despite anyone else's opinion of Trooper and Luper being great men, I think both are undermining the offense at this point and undermining Chizik. I feel like both possibly wanted the OC job and neither got a look and they haven't done shite since.
I don't care for either of them, but it's kinda difficult for the backs and receivers to shine when you have a porous O-line and mentally handicapped QBs.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:42 pm to Robot Santa
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I don't care for either of them, but it's kinda difficult for the backs and receivers to shine when you have a porous O-line and mentally handicapped QBs.
I am not just talking about bad coaching. i think Luper is a fine running back coach, I don't have any gripes about him in that aspect. I think Trooper is a crappy receiver coach but again, that is not what I mean. I think there is a team Trooper that doesn't play well with the rest of the team.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:55 pm to LanierSpots
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Chizik's 2010 coaching year was something of beauty. Some will never admit that but it truly was. He held a team and player together that was one of the most scrutinized in recent NCAA history to a 14-0 record and a BCS National Championship. FOr that, I will never forget him. But what is showing now, is his ability to advance a program and develop it. Which is where his coaching abilities end.
This, pretty much. Chiz did seem to be the glue that held the team together through the worst part of the Cam allegations. Unfortunately, that appears to have been his only contribution to that championship season.
As far as his and Dye's legacy goes, it's somewhat ironic that his very vocal support of Chiz (and, in the opinions of many, his influence in the hiring of Chiz in the first place) may have done more damage to Dye's reputation than the NCAA and Eric Ramsey ever did. I know a lot of AU people (myself included) who want him as far away from the program as possible.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:57 pm to Warfarer
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I am not just talking about bad coaching. i think Luper is a fine running back coach, I don't have any gripes about him in that aspect. I think Trooper is a crappy receiver coach but again, that is not what I mean. I think there is a team Trooper that doesn't play well with the rest of the team.
Gotcha. IIRC UTk fans had a lot of bad things to say about Trooper on his way out over that kind of thing.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 1:57 pm to stat19
The stuff about Dye being a cheater is way overblown and mostly bama fans that say that. He cheated way less than Bryant or even Gene Stallings. Bryant was never caught. But the stuff bama got probation for with Stallings at the helm was the exacts same as Dye. The Ramsey stuff was really peanuts. He got approved for a loan for a few thousand dollars and get some free food and a couple of hundred bucks. fricking peanuts. Gene Jelks got paid a lot more at bama and the stuff afterwards bama got caught for was hundreds of thousands.
So, to call Dye a cheater is really weak. The stuff he got busted for was total peanuts compared to the type of cheating most schools get busted for. In fact Dye did not even have to step down when he did and it was a total shock to almost everyone. He was never even found to be directly guilty by the NCAA. On the infamous tape, the MOST incriminating thing he ever said was along the lines of "we will see" in regards to the small loan (that actually had to be paid back) for Ramsey.
So, as far as the legacy, Dye's is 100% safe. Chiz will be viewed as a good man who won a NC with an absurd talent in Newton and Fairly, but a poor HC.
So, to call Dye a cheater is really weak. The stuff he got busted for was total peanuts compared to the type of cheating most schools get busted for. In fact Dye did not even have to step down when he did and it was a total shock to almost everyone. He was never even found to be directly guilty by the NCAA. On the infamous tape, the MOST incriminating thing he ever said was along the lines of "we will see" in regards to the small loan (that actually had to be paid back) for Ramsey.
So, as far as the legacy, Dye's is 100% safe. Chiz will be viewed as a good man who won a NC with an absurd talent in Newton and Fairly, but a poor HC.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 2:01 pm to mwlewis
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Dye only managed to get a few SEC titles when the conference was at its weakest
Four SEC titles and the NC in 1983. And the SEC was far from weak in the 1980's not even close to weak.
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Dye was forced out of his position
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
He was not forced out at all. He chose to step down saying he did not want to damage what he built. No one was telling him to do anything and 95% of the state was shocked when he made the announcement at the BJCC the night before the IB. No one could believe it.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 2:17 pm to Tiguar
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bammer
Worst nickname ever.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 2:47 pm to cyde
Pat Dye had a NC in 1983?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 2:55 pm to yellowtiger
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Pat Dye had a NC in 1983?
New York Times, baby!
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:16 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Gene Jelks got paid a lot more at bama and the stuff afterwards bama got caught for was hundreds of thousands.
and who was financing and supporting him when those allegations were made?
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:18 pm to cyde
its just easier than typing alabama fans or something or alabama, if only slightly
I dont mean anything derogatory when I type bammer
in retrospect, it wasnt worth it because it made me type this explanation
frick you
I dont mean anything derogatory when I type bammer
in retrospect, it wasnt worth it because it made me type this explanation
frick you
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:18 pm to 14&Counting
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and who was financing and supporting him when those allegations were made?
John Thrower who was given the cancelled checks Bama bought Jelks with. Sorta funny that Bama actually paid Jelks with checks to sign with Bama rather than cash.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:20 pm to wdeinttown
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New York Times, baby!
And about a dozen other polling systems. AU was actually named the NC by more organizations than Miami in 1983.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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John Thrower who was given the cancelled checks Bama bought Jelks with. Sorta funny that Bama actually paid Jelks with checks to sign with Bama rather than cash.
You know, when I watch you guys this season and then I think back to Dye, Lowder, Stump Thrower, and the rest of your crew, i smile and think think this season could not be happening to a better group of people
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:28 pm to 14&Counting
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You know, when I watch you guys this season and then I think back to Dye, Lowder, Stump Thrower, and the rest of your crew, i smile and think think this season could not be happening to a better group of people
I find statements like this pathetic. Just the idea that you think some kind of karmic justice should be inflicted upon Auburn because Dye beat Alabama in the 80s. You act like they got away with murdering one of your family members.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 3:28 pm to 14&Counting
That is cool. Doesn't bother me.
That would be a you problem you have to deal with.
That would be a you problem you have to deal with.
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