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re: Does Texas or Oklahoma know what is happening?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:20 pm to Soonerboomer1
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:20 pm to Soonerboomer1
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No. Most OU fans will never shout SEC SEC SEC because we don't
A. Ride Bama's coattails
B. Like our rivals.
C. Are a blueblood
This is funny because 4 other SEC teams NOT named Alabama have won a national title since either OU or Texas have.
That's 4 of the 11 non-Bama SEC teams that were in place when OU and Texas won their last titles.
A 5th won a national title just 2 years before OU's last title.
This argument doesn't really hold up.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:40 pm to Archibald
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True that. Could you imagine if Texas had to play in a place like Tuscaloosa recently? They’d probably get DESTROYED!
Oh wait…
Great win for Texas no doubt. Puts them 3/10s of a point higher in the win bracket against Nick Saban than Auburn. That is about Ole Miss level in the SEC over that same period of time which is about where Texas will be year in and year out in the SEC. About where they were in every other conference they have ever belonged to, even the one they belonged to where they were the only legitimate team in the conference (SWC).
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:52 pm to DawginSC
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This is funny because 4 other SEC teams NOT named Alabama have won a national title since either OU or Texas have.
That's 4 of the 11 non-Bama SEC teams that were in place when OU and Texas won their last titles.
A 5th won a national title just 2 years before OU's last title.
This argument doesn't really hold up.
And the truth, Ruth, is that in at least 2 of the natty's Alabama won another SEC team, UGA, would have won...2012 most likely and 2017 for certain. There are probably some that LSU would have won had Alabama not. Its simply a false assumption that the SEC has been all Alabama all the time. Alabama has been historically great...the greatest ever. That they did it in a conference with as many national title caliber teams in it as the SEC has had in that run makes it even more incredible. OU nor Texas has ever been in a conference as top heavy as the SEC. The data is abundantly clear.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:04 pm to Smokey Okie
I am pretty sure everyone from the coaches, AD's, all of the assistants, players and a goodly number of fans of the respective schools know what is happening which is this, the level of competition goes up along with the money.
I ask you this, does the SEC know they didn't just admit a couple of cupcakes (not naming any of the teams were added during the previous expansion cuz you know who you are) but instead two powerhouse programs that thanks to the boost of being in the conference have seen their recruiting fortunes go up along with the expectation of tougher competion?
I ask you this, does the SEC know they didn't just admit a couple of cupcakes (not naming any of the teams were added during the previous expansion cuz you know who you are) but instead two powerhouse programs that thanks to the boost of being in the conference have seen their recruiting fortunes go up along with the expectation of tougher competion?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:09 pm to Soonerboomer1
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No. Most OU fans will never shout SEC SEC SEC because we don't
A. Ride Bama's coattails
B. Like our rivals.
C. Are a blueblood
D. Win playoff games. You can't yell SEC SEC SEC when you lose.
The only Big12 team to ever win a playoff game is TCU.
Oklahoma? 0-4
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:18 pm to Smokey Okie
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Weaker teams
LSU
You are trying too hard.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:58 pm to Lsupimp
Why don't we just play three seasons in the SEC with Texass and OU and then judge how the two newbies will fair?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:02 pm to GeorgeWest
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Why don't we just play three seasons in the SEC with Texass and OU and then judge how the two newbies will fair?
Stop being logical or you're gonna collapse this entire Goddamn forum.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:11 pm to GeorgeWest
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Why don't we just play three seasons in the SEC with Texass and OU and then judge how the two newbies will fair?
Exactly
Brent Venables:
“The ability to sustain emotionally, physically the grind of a season is what the challenge of the SEC is going to bring.”
Brent Venables believes he's building something special at OU. Now he has to prove it in the SEC in 2024 and beyond:
“After coach Riley left, our roster was not prepared for the exodus. Within the first 15 months I got to Oklahoma, we lost 75 scholarship players… We went from guys trying to widen their plate their first year to compliance in Year 2 and now I see a group of young men ... that are highly, highly invested young men.”
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:36 pm to DawginSC
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Does Texas or Oklahoma know what is happening?
No…we have no clue….please tell us.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:50 pm to Smokey Okie
They have no clue. They think they’ll just roll into the SEC and go 10-2 or 11-1 every year.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:56 pm to JacieNY
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I ask you this, does the SEC know they didn't just admit a couple of cupcakes
Yes, we know that. The 12 team SEC has six teams that have won a title from 1998 on (Tennessee, Florida, Auburn LSU, Bama and UGA) All but Tennessee have tiles more recent than OU or Texas.
SEC teams are used to playing 2-4 teams of that caliber every year.
UT and OU are not. They're also not used to having the 2nd worst team in talent in their conference being in the top 32 teams in the nation in team talent.
While UT and OU are good, they're not special in comparison to SEC teams . The SEC has a lot of teams who provide the same level of opposition on the yearly basis. It's not a change for the SEC. It's effectively 1 extra tough game a year on average for SEC schools.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:57 pm to Born2rock
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No…we have no clue….please tell us.
Not sure why you quoted me on this. I wasn't the OP who posted that question.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:58 pm to Gifman
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They have no clue. They think they’ll just roll into the SEC and go 10-2 or 11-1 every year.
Lies and more lies.
You show me one OU poster who has stated 10-2 or 11-1 as what they think. Most have said 9-3 or maybe 8-4 due to schedule. A few think 10-2 if luck falls our way but lean 9-3. Far stretch from 11-1 as you say.
Its like some fans are making fake shite up so if we do go 9-3 or 8-4 they’ll chirp “I told you so” as if all OU fans said it when none did.
Lame
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:05 pm to GeorgeWest
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Why don't we just play three seasons in the SEC with Texass and OU and then judge how the two newbies will fair?
Because college football doesn't work that way. We have pre-season polls because nobody wants to wait for games to happen to rank teams.
We fire coaches after 2 seasons because we don't give them time to flip a roster anymore.
Texas and OU are being projected because that's what happens in college football. And they'll be declared successes or failures after the first season because that's ALSO what happens in college football. Hell, the first couple of games is really all that will happen before people start reporting conclusions.
Given that is going to happen regardless, the best we can do is try to be objective when talking about what will likely happen.
The reality is Texas has a pretty light draw and has a pretty good team returning. OU has a tough draw and not as good a team. It's reasonable to expect Texas to finish in the top 3 and OU to finish around 6th-7th. And that's where the projections are.
Would "wait and see" be better? Of course. But this is college football. That doesn't happen in the ACC or Big 12. It certainly won't in the SEC.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:08 pm to DawginSC
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Yes, we know that. The 12 team SEC has six teams that have won a title from 1998 on (Tennessee, Florida, Auburn LSU, Bama and UGA) All but Tennessee have tiles more recent than OU or Texas. SEC teams are used to playing 2-4 teams of that caliber every year. UT and OU are not. They're also not used to having the 2nd worst team in talent in their conference being in the top 32 teams in the nation in team talent. While UT and OU are good, they're not special in comparison to SEC teams . The SEC has a lot of teams who provide the same level of opposition on the yearly basis. It's not a change for the SEC. It's effectively 1 extra tough game a year on average for SEC schools.
Lets flip it and look at another POV. Tx has sucked for the last decade. That means every team has prepped for OU every year. So these teams spend extra time prepping solely to beat OU.
In SEC you can’t spend extra time on just 1 team since all are good. So in that regard OU will be just another tough game on the schedule, but no one can spend extra prep time on us.
And our blue chip rate is 4th in conference (based on most recent ranks using current known rosters). So it will just be great football and mostly even field other than away games will be more intense as fans want to prove (like most posters here) they are better.
Bottom line is OU embraces competition and looks forward to the new games/schools/tailgates/traditions.
No matter how anyone spins it the conf got deeper and harder for everyone. Undefeated seasons will be rare yet SEC will get many teams in playoffs even as teams have more losses than what they are used to. The depth will matter at playoff selection time too.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:20 pm to OU Guy
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In SEC you can’t spend extra time on just 1 team since all are good.
Bama plays Mercer before OU. They'll have 2 weeks to prep for that game.
Ole Miss has a bye before OU. 2 weeks
Texas has a bye. 2 weeks
LSU has Vandy. 2 weeks
Tennessee has Kent State. 2 weeks.
Auburn plays Arkansas. They probably will only focus on Arky the week before but in their prep the week before that against a G5 team they might throw in some OU prep a couple weeks early.
But Mizzou and SC play Bama before OU, so they won't be preparing extra at least and will likely be beat up. So you have a little going for you.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:59 pm to Smokey Okie
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They have never played weaker teams like Arkansas
Arkansas has played Texas a few times since joining the SEC. In fact, Arkansas has beaten Texas 5 out the last 7 times we've played them.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:07 pm to WonderWartHawg
I am looking forward to playing in the SEC. I certainly dont want to be in the new Big 12. The Big 8 was the last really good conference we were in from my viewpoint. Playing some new teams and some old familiar teams by going into the SEC seems like we are making just a partial shift.
Whatever happens it will be fun. The players are looking forward to playing an SEC schedule…..
Whatever happens it will be fun. The players are looking forward to playing an SEC schedule…..
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:02 am to 3down10
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D. Win playoff games. You can't yell SEC SEC SEC when you lose.
The only Big12 team to ever win a playoff game is TCU.
Oklahoma? 0-4
To follow up on this point with more numbers.
Bama in the playoff - 9-5. 3 championships
UGA - 5-1. 2 championships.
LSU - 2-0. 1 championship.
TCU - 1-1 (lost to UGA 65-7 after their one win)
OU - 0-4 (3 of the 4 losses were to each of the 3 SEC teams listed above)
Texas - 0-1
Big 12 as a whole: 1-6.
SEC teams other than Bama: 7-1, 3 championships. And the 1 loss was... to Bama in OT.
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