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re: Does Texas or Oklahoma know what is happening?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:23 am to BevoBucks
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:23 am to BevoBucks
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FIFY. Texas HS football has no equal.
This is also a Texas High School Football Stadium
Dell City Cougar FIeld
Texas produces a BUNCH of blue chip skill position players. What they do not produce a bunch of is offensive and defensive lineman who can outrun those skill position players. The proof is in the pudding. The number of NFL players from Texas pales in comparison to the number produced by a smaller area consisting of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Toss in Florida and that area produces more talent. than the rest of the United States combined.
The area of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana is 89% of that of Texas. The combined population is 98% that of Texas. The number of NFL players from those 5 states is 185% of those hailing from Texas. Smaller area, smaller population, almost twice as many NFL players. Texas is also not geographically close to the hotbed that is Florida. To pretend high school football and the resulting CFB players and NFL players who hail from Texas is remotely comparable to that produced in the footprint of the SEC prior to Texas and OU joining is ludicrous. The numbers are abundantly clear and available.
If its blue chip recruits the 5 states produce 144% more than Texas. Smaller area, smaller population....and blue chip players tend to be skill position players so even in the area that Texas excels in they are about half what the SEC is.
The number of kids playing high school football in those 5 states which comprise a smaller area and smaller population that Texas is 187% of kids playing in Texas.
Average crowd size in those 5 states is almost 210% of crowd size in Texas.
There is no comparison.
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:29 am to Gunga Din
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No they can't. I did the math.
Since and including 2006...
The SEC champ is 135-11 against the rest of the league in regular season SEC games. That is a winning percentage of 92.4%.
Only one time...(in 2007) did the SEC champ lose even as many as two games.
Furthermore, in those eighteen seasons... the SEC runner up went 7-1 in the regular season thirteen times. In only five seasons did the runner up lose more than one game.
So just like in any other league... The best teams in the SEC are better than all the "other teams"... and the "other teams" all beat each other "on any given day".
Finally, the best teams basically consist of two or three of the following...Bama pretty much the entire time... with Georgia, LSU and occasionally Auburn getting turns at the top... and Florida once upon a time.
The tell of the tape is what happens when SEC champs and runners up meet BIG 10, Big 12, ACC and PAC 12 champs in playoff and national title games. The game as played in the SEC is different. It requires talented depth that programs in other conferences just do not have because it is more of a grind.
Big 10 fans are always whining about folks talking about the difference in speed between the Big 10 and the SEC. No one in their right mind would say the SEC is 25% faster across the board...its probably less than 1%. It makes a difference in 60 minutes.
The same is true of SEC schedules. They aren't twice as hard or twice the grind of a comparable schedule outside the SEC. Its probably less than 10%. Over the course of the season it makes a BIG difference. There is a reason the SEC has won so many titles on the field recently...and it has been multiple programs. Its because the SEC plays a different game week in and week out and when you emerge from that gauntlet at the top of the conference or near the top and have a month to heal up and prepare its almost not fair to other teams.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:53 pm to AwgustaDawg
So you have 2 new schools who have recruited at the upper end of the SEC for the last 3 years, and you say THEY are the ones not ready for the grind?
What about the current SEC schools in the bottom - about 10 schools?
I love this logic
What about the current SEC schools in the bottom - about 10 schools?
I love this logic
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:55 pm to Smokey Okie
I am happy to have Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC. It only makes the conference better. I think seeing what happens to them the next few years will be very interesting.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 2:26 pm to Smokey Okie
Wow, yet another revelatory thread. I was totally unaware of all this, is it too late to back out and just stay in the Big 12? I'm scared now, hold me 
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 2:53 pm to Smokey Okie
I stopped reading when you said OU fans don’t like football like SEC fans do..
blah blah blah.
blah blah blah.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:47 pm to Smokey Okie
It's adorable that you think lesser teams in a conference being able to beat the power teams is an anomaly unique to the SEC. 
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:06 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
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So you have 2 new schools who have recruited at the upper end of the SEC for the last 3 years, and you say THEY are the ones not ready for the grind?
What about the current SEC schools in the bottom - about 10 schools?
I love this logic
We also have another ex-Big 12 school that has recruited at the upper end of SEC teams . They've been here a while now and still haven't learned how to play consistently throughout the season.to be able to win against lower level SEC teams consistently due to the lower level SEC teams being more talented than lower level Big 12 teams were.
I give you Texas A&M.
Ranked ahead of both Texas and OU in talent last year (as well as ahead of every SEC team other than Bama and UGA). They managed to lose to Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU as well as Miami out of conference.
Oklahoma looks a lot like A&M does. Texas seems a bit more consistent. But the reality is that every school other than Vandy in the SEC would be the 1st or 2nd most talented team in the Big 12 after Texas and OU last year. So those off days where you squeak by with a win against BYU or UCF will be a likely loss against Arkansas or Kentucky... and those are the least talented SEC teams other than Vandy.
Hell, Vandy had more talent last season than Iowa State, Kansas, KSU and BYU.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:10 pm to Smokey Okie
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Every team can beat you in the SEC, even the bad ones. Are they ready for the constant grind that the SEC will consistently provide them?
It's the physical toll that every single game takes on you in the SEC. Even teams that can't beat you can definitely beat on you.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:16 pm to DawginSC
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We also have another ex-Big 12 school that has recruited at the upper end of SEC teams . They've been here a while now and still haven't learned how to play consistently throughout the season.to be able to win against lower level SEC teams consistently due to the lower level SEC teams being more talented than lower level Big 12 teams were.
I give you Texas A&M.
Congrats. You just learned about aggie.
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Ranked ahead of both Texas and OU in talent last year (as well as ahead of every SEC team other than Bama and UGA). They managed to lose to Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU as well as Miami out of conference.
Congrats. You just learned about aggie.
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Oklahoma looks a lot like A&M does. Texas seems a bit more consistent.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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But the reality is that every school other than Vandy in the SEC would be the 1st or 2nd most talented team in the Big 12 after Texas and OU last year.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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So those off days where you squeak by with a win against BYU or UCF will be a likely loss against Arkansas or Kentucky... and those are the least talented SEC teams other than Vandy.
What about getting blown out on your home field against New Mexico State with all that SEC talent?
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Hell, Vandy had more talent last season than Iowa State, Kansas, KSU and BYU.
Based on what?
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:23 pm to CharlotteSooner
I actually wonder if they a just trolling or if Texas and OU are really as arrogant as they come across here.
If it wasn't for Johnny, ATM would have had a horrible time early in the SEC. With the coaching decisions we have made, we struggled.
Texas and OU have no idea the weekly pounding that takes place in this conference. It will be a fun season.
Texas is over rated every year and OU is young. Texas better get their D line in order or teams will run a mile on them. There are no easy weeks in the SEC......
If it wasn't for Johnny, ATM would have had a horrible time early in the SEC. With the coaching decisions we have made, we struggled.
Texas and OU have no idea the weekly pounding that takes place in this conference. It will be a fun season.
Texas is over rated every year and OU is young. Texas better get their D line in order or teams will run a mile on them. There are no easy weeks in the SEC......
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:29 pm to AG87
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If it wasn't for Johnny, ATM would have had a horrible time early in the SEC. With the coaching decisions we have made, we struggled.
Well of course. You were mediocre and struggled in the BIG XII when you left (so was mizzou) and the SEC hadn't seen a mobile QB throw on 1st down before.
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Texas and OU have no idea the weekly pounding that takes place in this conference. It will be a fun season.
Show us the evidence that your teams finish the regular season with more attrition than teams in other conferences "because of the gauntlet". I want to see it.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:35 pm to Smokey Okie
No one is reading all of that.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:47 pm to DawginSC
quote:This analysis based on 2 years of football is amazing in its stupidity. You type long crap but lazy (or incapable of) real analysis.
Oklahoma looks a lot like A&M does.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:49 pm to Smokey Okie
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They have never played weaker teams like Arkansas and LSU and Missouri who can beat you when you aren't expecting it. They are used to cupcakes like Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, and Cincinnati.
It’s funny when Bama fans brag about being dominant when they haven’t won a championship since 2017, but somehow cannot remember past the last 5 minutes when it comes to other teams.
I can guarantee if the entire city of Tuscaloosa and its residents ceased to exist tomorrow, not a single person would care. They wouldn’t be happy, they just wouldn’t care.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:57 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
You’ll lose your blue blood status when you keep going 7-5/6-6 in the SEC every year.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:58 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
I wonder if being in the SEC will help OU not get destroyed every time they make the playoff? Or will the SEC keep their weak arse teams from actually getting a spot to begin with.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:00 pm to Lord of the Hogs
quote:Thanks Mr. Obvious!
You’ll lose your blue blood status when you keep going 7-5/6-6 in the SEC every year.
Or maybe we'll win more titles and arkie stays peasant. I don't know, I'm no prophet
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:03 pm to redfishfan
quote:Maybe, maybe not. It's a different coaching staff that can coach defense, but I don't know the future
I wonder if being in the SEC will help OU not get destroyed every time they make the playoff?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 5:08 pm to NewBOSSofSEC
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Maybe, maybe not. It's a different coaching staff that can coach defense, but I don't know the future
Can they coach defense?
Opp Pts/G: 23.5 (49th of 133) - 2023
Seems like more of a prediction of the future than an established fact
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