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re: Does being in the SEC help or hurt Oklahoma/Texas Recruiting?
Posted on 7/3/24 at 5:56 am to RelentlessTide
Posted on 7/3/24 at 5:56 am to RelentlessTide
Who cares, I just want to thank Texas for Jalen Hurts, Jaylen Waddle, and Jalen Milroe. Oh yeah, thanks for Keelon Russell too.
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:00 am to RelentlessTide
NIL changed the rules. Before, yes. Now, no. It's all the same.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:41 am to Daowna
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Your selling point of being consistently in the conference championship picture and by proxy only a small ways off from a national championship run will not be what it once was.
This is one of lots and lots of selling points...oklahoma is a brand, a name brand like Coke, not sams choice cola...you know you're a major brand when a large portion of viewership tunes in hoping to see you lose...the comparison of oklahoma/brasky isn't nearly as close as people think.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:51 am to RelentlessTide
It could help everybody.
Biggest and best league.
Texas, Florida, and Georgia probably are the richest recruiting states in the footprint.
Biggest and best league.
Texas, Florida, and Georgia probably are the richest recruiting states in the footprint.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:52 am to Daowna
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not much further and not much of a recruit target difference than that school over in Arkansas.
Norman is 10 minutes further of a drive from the DFW than College Station.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:56 am to Daowna
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Your selling point of being consistently in the conference championship picture and by proxy only a small ways off from a national championship run will not be what it once was.
That particular "selling point" was often at odds with the fact that players wanted to play in the SEC and OU was always getting beat for guys who would pick SEC schools so that they could be SEC players.
OU sees it as a net advantage to be in the SEC as opposed to competing against the SEC brand so to speak.
They would get beat out by LSU, and A&M in particular and sometimes Alabama for guys who wanted to play in the SEC as opposed to the Big XII.
Certainly, your point is something to consider...but I think it is ironic that SEC people pound their chest about how great the SEC is... yet don't think OU will will get a recruiting boost by being a member.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:05 am to RelentlessTide
Helps big time..stay close and play in the best conference for competition
Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:59 am to Daowna
I totally disagree. Oklahoma has always relied heavily on recruiting its border states, but primarily just a short 3 hours South in the DFW area.
Nebraska also recruited DFW heavily, but when they broke off for the Big TEN they put themselves on an island with that recruiting base. Texas kids stopped looking at Nebraska seriously once they left the Big 12. No games against Texas schools and no games where their parents and family could see them play on occasion.
Oklahoma will never have that problem, and being in the SEC alone should draw and keep kids seriously considering the Blue Blood that is Oklahoma. If Oklahoma falls off, It will be because of on field play and/or coaching. Not recruiting.
Nebraska also recruited DFW heavily, but when they broke off for the Big TEN they put themselves on an island with that recruiting base. Texas kids stopped looking at Nebraska seriously once they left the Big 12. No games against Texas schools and no games where their parents and family could see them play on occasion.
Oklahoma will never have that problem, and being in the SEC alone should draw and keep kids seriously considering the Blue Blood that is Oklahoma. If Oklahoma falls off, It will be because of on field play and/or coaching. Not recruiting.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:06 am to RelentlessTide
It would be an advantage if they played in the Big12. But the problem with getting recruits because you are in the SEC is that you have to play all the teams in the SEC.
They all get great talent. The league actually has had more parity than ever, ever since NIL.
So yes, Texas will have better players. But it’s not going to mean they will necessarily win more. In fact, they may win less.
They all get great talent. The league actually has had more parity than ever, ever since NIL.
So yes, Texas will have better players. But it’s not going to mean they will necessarily win more. In fact, they may win less.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:10 am to Daowna
quote:How so? They've recruited well in North Texas for as long as most of us have been alive, and Stoops created a pipeline in California that has somehow survived 2 coaches, and that won't get worse now that the California schools themselves have to travel coast to coast for games. Trust me I wish you were right, but you arent.
Initially it will help.. I think OU needs to be careful about how they approach recruiting and their on field success for the next few odd years.
As a worst case they risk suffering a similar fate to Nebraska.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:18 am to polaroid1984
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Norman is 10 minutes further of a drive from the DFW than College Station.
And still in Oklahoma which is a draw to 0 kids in Texas
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:22 am to RelentlessTide
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Does being in the SEC help or hurt Oklahoma/Texas Recruiting?
I don't think the question is if it helps or hurts.
I think the question is if it helps enough to overcome the difference in the rest of the conference.
OU and Texas were the two most talented rosters in the Big 12 basically every year.
In the SEC they'll struggle to be in the top 4 every season, probably ending up around 6th-8th on the occasional bad recruiting trail.
Keep in mind you can end up 5th in the SEC and 9th nationally pretty easily.
So their recruiting will improve, but I don't think their placement in the conference hierarchy will improve compared to where they landed in the Big 12.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:42 am to Daowna
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Initially it will help.. I think OU needs to be careful about how they approach recruiting and their on field success for the next few odd years. As a worst case they risk suffering a similar fate to Nebraska.
I keep seeing comparisons of OU and Nebraska but I just don’t see it:
Recruiting: OU is staying connected to Texas and expanding into prime deep south territory. It has prime Dallas recruiting 2.5 hours south. Nebraska isolated themselves with a midwestern schedule in the least fertile part of the B10 footprint. It has zero natural recruiting advantages to keep afloat during dark times.
Offense: Nebraska completely botched the transition from option to modern offense and never recovered. It has a negative perception for putting offensive players into the modern NFL. OU has been the nation’s leader in offensive innovation for 3 decades.
Program building/strategy: The bedrock of Nebraska was built on JUCO, partial qualifiers, walkons, line of scrimmage depth, and a strength program far ahead of its time. The game has evolved past that and Nebraska is having to reinvent itself from scratch. OU doesn’t have to change anything to win big.
OU could certainly decline but it won’t be due to anything in common with Nebraska.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:01 am to MillerLiteTime
The "Nerbrasky!" narrative was born on this board and adopted by people who have zero historical knowledge of Nebraska, or what led to their demise, and somehow attached to Oklahoma for reasons they can't articulate. 
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:19 am to GalvoAg
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And still in Oklahoma which is a draw to 0 kids in Texas
I literally have friends from Texas that got into A&M but chose to go to OU because A&M is weird as shite. Those were their words, to be clear.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:21 am to CharlotteSooner
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The "Nerbrasky!" narrative was born on this board and adopted by people who have zero historical knowledge of Nebraska, or what led to their demise, and somehow attached to Oklahoma for reasons they can't articulate.
When did history get in the way of good old trolling?
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:27 am to RelentlessTide
Helps for sure. Absolutely and one of the biggest reasons Texas followed us. We were creaming them in in-state recruting. Playing field is now level.
But as we all know, you gotta win to build a dynasty recruting powerhouse like Bama or GA.
But as we all know, you gotta win to build a dynasty recruting powerhouse like Bama or GA.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 7/3/24 at 12:42 pm to 49 to nada
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Stoops created a pipeline in California that has somehow survived 2 coaches, and that won't get worse now that the California schools themselves have to travel coast to coast for games. Trust me I wish you were right, but you arent.
This is a very overlooked point....we have been bringing in tons of skill position players from the west coast for a while...there very well could be more oklahoma fans in California than in oklahoma...those folks that fled the dust bowl remember their roots.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 12:48 pm to kajunman
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NIL changed the rules. Before, yes. Now, no. It's all the same.
This is the answer, all that really matters now is talent evaluation and which fanbases are willing to pay for top shelf recruiting
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:13 pm to GalvoAg
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And still in Oklahoma which is a draw to 0 kids in Texas
What draw does College Station provide over Norman, Oklahoma? Certainly not championships.
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