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Do you still look at high school recruiting the same?

Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:40 pm
I used to follow it but now I loosely follow it because of the portal recruiting. What about you?
Posted by Opry
Member since Oct 2023
2016 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:42 pm to
Definitely not. I'd say 25% do 3 years of playing time at this point. NIL money will probably get you more talent than anything. Money talks, BS walks. Losing talent and coaches has hurt Saban more than anything. He can't win by hording talent like he did in the past.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 12:51 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:44 pm to
Yeah it crossed my mind with the unlimited transferring fewer will graduate.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:46 pm to
I gave up a while ago. With Bama paying players under the table and no one honoring their commitments, it was hard to get invested in it.
Posted by GBJs
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2012
3898 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:56 pm to
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With Bama paying players under the table and no one honoring their commitments, it was hard to get invested in it.


It is GREAT to be king. Kneel peasants.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
10916 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:00 pm to
Not really about who signs the highest ranked class now. It's about who is best at retention of the classes they sign.
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
1403 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:03 pm to
I don't look at it quite the same...

But I still stick to the fact that if your team got a player my team wanted.... YOU CHEATED!!!
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Not really about who signs the highest ranked class now. It's about who is best at retention of the classes they sign.


Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
4968 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:07 pm to
Why would you? To me, recruiting is now a year to year thing across classes. You have to re-recruit practically your entire team every season. Blue chips any given year will be on a wait and see basis with programs with larger bank accounts.

I would absolutely hate being a college football coach right now. Without contracts or proper rules for NIL, it's far worse than being a pro coach.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42392 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:15 pm to
I still say it has to form the nucleus of your team
It has definitely changed qb recruiting
Trying to get portal players all on same page is a challenge
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21814 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:16 pm to
I think quality matters for high school. I expect a 75% 25% split for the majority of teams going forward. Maybe even less of a delta …

The portal has changed recruiting
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5888 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:17 pm to
The unlimited free agency for players is going to have a reckoning at some point. The carrot will be schools or associated 503 paying the football players, the stick will be contractual agreements that require all parties to consent to ending the contract before terms are complete (with a litany of player and school advantaged termination triggers of course).

We're in the Wild West era of NIL+transfers because the NCAA has abrogated their interests on this front due to a litany of litigation Ls. Eventually the power players are going to agree that something must be done to rationalize the labor-side business of the sport. Part of the reason the NFL doesn't have a D-League is because they know most of these high schoolers are poisonous assets to hold. Eventually several school's collectives are going to get over-committed to dead weight and the money is going to demand a reckoning.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21814 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 1:35 pm to
It is already happening. I’m interested to see how these collectives work out because some of these boosters have put a lot into kids that aren’t even starters yet. They will want a return on their investment
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22399 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:18 pm to
What an interesting day for a Bama fan to make a thread about how he finds HS recruiting less relevant lolol.

Never change gumps
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5888 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:34 pm to
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What an interesting day for a Bama fan to make a thread about how he finds HS recruiting less relevant lolol.



Alabama continues to recruit well according to the services, so yeah, it is weird. I still think having the first pass at talent is preferable to having to recruit them on limited eligibility timers.

Fit is imperative for transfers. They're looking for a place where they can come in and start. Many are looking at how well you can help them get to the NFL too. Do you run a scheme that features their skills well.
Posted by Ptins944
Member since Jan 2019
1435 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:46 pm to
No. With NIL leveling the playing field and making bag men obsolete, the quality programs will do well and the snake oil salesman will move along. Recruiting is more fun than it’s been in a long time.

As of today, Saturday, Texas has room for 4 transfers, w/ 3 of those committed. Another 0-5 may enter the transfer portal.

Of the 2023 recruits, ~ 75% are early enrollees and will be on campus next week and will go through spring practice.

Identifying the right guys w/ the commitment to graduate early, and not the prima donna’s, matters.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
13069 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:54 pm to
2 observations...

1. Teams who recruit the best HS players seem to do the best over time. This is still true.

2. LSU has added TWO transfers who both won the Heisman Trophy over a 5 year period. Before that, LSU has never had a qb win the Heisman and only 1 Heisman in over 100 years of football.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:57 pm to
Yeah Alabama is recruiting well. But, I think we have an average coaching staff in place so I question our player development at this time. I think player development is as important as player retention.

Say what you will about Harbaugh and Norvell at FSU, but I think they've done an excellent job of recruiting the portal and high school along with player development. I feel UGA and Bama recruit at a similar clip but UGA has a better staff/better player development than Bama.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64496 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:57 pm to
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Do you still look at high school recruiting the same?

No. Because of the portal, signing a good player only means you’ll have them for one year. When you actually had to sit out a year to transfer, that deterred a lot of the nonsense. Outside off the field stuff and getting dismissed, transfers were rare
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64496 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:00 pm to
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They will want a return on their investment

Where will their return ever actually be outside of personal happiness seeing their team be good? I just don’t see how it’s sustainable for boosters to continue to invest tens of millions each year when there is no financial incentive like there is for a pro franchise owner. Like what’s really in it for them at the end of the day?
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