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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:14 am to ReauxlTide222
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And so far he just looks like another VERY solid SEC running back.
Less than 15 Freshman 1,000 yard rushers in SEC History. Fournette is one.
I'd say having a Freshman campaign in which you set your school's Freshman Rushing Record and led your team in rushing, along with leading the conference in All-Purpose yards is more than solid.
Especially considering LSU's Starting Quarterback was the lowest ranked QB in FBS. Seriously. Think about that for a second when you consider Fournette. He did it with ZERO help from the passing game. None. We aren't talking about a Triple Option offense like Georgia Tech or a Flexbone based system at Navy. This is supposed to be a balanced, pro-style offense.
Fournette did it with one-arm tied behind his back.
What you're looking for is confirmation bias. You want to look at this situation without context so that it fits a notion you've preconceived, which is that Fournette didn't live up to the hype.
But when anyone reasonable looks at the fact that LSU had two returning Senior Tailbacks that played all four years, a non-existent passing offense and ran against a stacked box because they started the lowest ranked QB in FBS, and THEN you discuss what Fournette did...He's not overrated severely at all.
By removing the context, you can-possibly-make an argument look plausible based on what you're saying. But again, you'd be guilty of what's called confirmation bias.
Without the context, you airquotes "look" airquotes like you have a point. In reality, you're completely off the plot.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:18 am to GeauxPack81
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His HS film was unreal. I don't know if I have ever been more confident in my analysis of a HS QB when I said that he would be an NFL starter one day..... Holy lord I was off. Still to this day I am not 100% convinced he couldn't have been really good in the right system.
This board actually had threads about who was gonna be the better QB phenom, Frazier or Jeff Driskel.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:31 am to Moustache
Bielema nabbed this 4* OG from Hawaii named Reeve Koehler in his 1st class..... 2 full seasons later he's still on the 3rd team.
To be fair, he did get injured his 1st season, but still.....
To be fair, he did get injured his 1st season, but still.....
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:35 am to Moustache
Lane Kiffin's entire recruiting class
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:40 am to GFunk
quote:For frick's sake, y'all and y'all's records
Less than 15 Freshman 1,000 yard rushers in SEC History. Fournette is one.
I can name 7 freshman to rush for 1000 in the SEC in the past 5 years. LSU fans...........it's going to keep happening. quote:There goes that record thing again. And how many starting RBs returned kickoffs? All-purpose yards? Neat?
I'd say having a Freshman campaign in which you set your school's Freshman Rushing Record and led your team in rushing, along with leading the conference in All-Purpose yards is more than solid.
I know y'all's passing game wasn't what you wanted. LF is really good. His year was pretty damn good. My point is that what he did wasn't even close to living up to the hype for year one. We'll never agree on this point but the majority of y'all said he'd be a sure fire can't miss damn near GOAT RB in SEC history savior of your team type RB. The hype for him was and is at all-time levels. I'm not looking for confirmation bias. I'm evaluating hype of a player and what they brought to their team. LF might be the guy we all think he can be this year. But if he doesn't bust out in a big way, I don't see how he can be viewed as anything but overrated when compared to the hype. There isn't anything wrong with that either. If he lives up to the hype, we'll all be shitting our pants at how amazing he is.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:45 am to Moustache
Anthony Johnson is up there for me
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:50 am to ForeverLSU02
Jacob Coker. Nuff said
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:53 am to ReauxlTide222
I think you don't know yeldon's freshman stats as well as you think you do
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:56 am to GeauxPack81
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Keihl Fazier
His HS film was unreal. I don't know if I have ever been more confident in my analysis of a HS QB when I said that he would be an NFL starter one day..
Frazier looked good because he was playing shite competition in Arkansas 3A. He played my high school (Euless Trinity) to kick off the season his senior year. He spent most of the day on his back and looked very pedestrian. The final was 80-26 after ET pulled ALL of their starters for the entire 2nd half.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:57 am to bamasgot13
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didn't use crown of helmet.
Yes he did. That is exactly the kind of hit that the rules were made for.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:58 am to ReauxlTide222
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ReauxlTide222
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y'all and y'all's records I can name 7 freshman to rush for 1000 in the SEC in the past 5 years. LSU fans...........it's going to keep happening.
So you look back in time to say he's severely over-rated, but then when you're provided factual evidence that he's one of an extremely small number of backs to do what he did-and did so with two senior tailbacks ahead of him to start the year-you admit it and then immediately turn forwards in order to say, "Well this is not meaningful because this will continue to happen."
So you denigrate fans or supporters of the player who disagree with you for using stats from verifiable on field performance to disagree with you, and then go on to say that they cannot do this because you think this will become more common in the future. Which you-nor anyone else on Earth-have any possible way of confirming as fact?
Looking through your post you've sort've jumped off the logic train in order to disagree with me or paint LSU fans as illogical in general. It's ironic in a way. But moreso, it's telling that you can't use logic or apply reason to your opinion to support it, so you're attacking others and sort've making things up as you go along to do so.
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There goes that record thing again. And how many starting RBs returned kickoffs? All-purpose yards? Neat?
So now you're saying that his performance in multiple aspects of the game should not be considered towards his performance as a player? He was the 4th leading returner in the SEC on KOR. He consistently helped put us in good field position to start offensive drives, which was of vital importance for us on offense as we both admit we struggled to put it mildly.
But this impact shouldn't be considered because "no other tailbacks were on KOR". So when you're evaluating a player you can only use their primary position? Reggie Bush caught 100 passes one year for the Saints. Are you supposed to forget about that part of his game because he's a running back?
...and what does it say about other tailbacks in the SEC that they aren't on KOR? That they aren't as skilled or capable of impacting the game in that area?
You seem to want to arbitrarily confine the discussion as it pertains to Fournette. Why is this? It seems like the more you evaluate the player, and not just confine him to the specific aspects you'd like to, he becomes a more impactful, complete, well-rounded, and more valuable player.
This won't fit your preconceived notion, so again, you're out to exclude context in order to fit that notion. Whether you like it or not, you're literally providing another example of confirmation bias in the same post where you're denying it.
I'm just curious...Do you see what you're doing here? Or are you unwilling to admit to the fact that you went overboard and are trying your best to be right instead of actually be objective? There's a huge difference between the two points in this discussion. I think I've made that apparent.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:59 am to SeauxLeauxHeaux
175 rushes for 1108 yards 6.3 avg 12 TDs with 131 yards and a TD recieveing....?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:02 am to bamasgot13
I love Bama fans because they always defend their people.
Foster didn't launch.
Dial made a play on a Murray who was trying to make a play.
Dre Kirkpatrick didn't flop and give himself a concussion.
Dre Takes Himself Out of Biggest Game of Regular Season By Flopping
Barrett Jones' "finesse block" (as called by Gary Danielson) in the SECCG against Georgia wasn't a hold.
Time should be added back to the clock in the 2013 Iron Bowl (admittedly the position shifted thereafter).
You guys are blind.
Foster didn't launch.
Dial made a play on a Murray who was trying to make a play.
Dre Kirkpatrick didn't flop and give himself a concussion.
Dre Takes Himself Out of Biggest Game of Regular Season By Flopping
Barrett Jones' "finesse block" (as called by Gary Danielson) in the SECCG against Georgia wasn't a hold.
Time should be added back to the clock in the 2013 Iron Bowl (admittedly the position shifted thereafter).
You guys are blind.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:05 am to GFunk
quote:What? YES. Over the last 5 years, we're averaging more than 1 freshman RB going over 1000 yards per year. It's not very meaningful like y'all are implying. More common in the future? It's happening now and has for the past 5 years...
So you look back in time to say he's severely over-rated, but then when you're provided factual evidence that he's one of an extremely small number of backs to do what he did-and did so with two senior tailbacks ahead of him to start the year-you admit it and then immediately turn forwards in order to say, "Well this is not meaningful because this will continue to happen."
quote:I honestly believe that I'm being objective while you are not.
I'm just curious...Do you see what you're doing here? Or are you unwilling to admit to the fact that you went overboard and are trying your best to be right instead of actually be objective?
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:10 am to GFunk
quote:No, it should not be considered. Return guys get yards. Just about anybody back there will just rack up yards. It has nothing to do with a RB's hype and what he brings. Arkansas finished #1 in return yards at 25.3 yards per return. 11 of the 14 SEC teams finished with averages over 20 yards per return. If you're back there, you're getting yards. They are completely irrelevant and don't mean LF is any better than anybody else at anything.
So now you're saying that his performance in multiple aspects of the game should not be considered towards his performance as a player? He was the 4th leading returner in the SEC on KOR. He consistently helped put us in good field position to start offensive drives, which was of vital importance for us on offense as we both admit we struggled to put it mildly.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:13 am to therick711
How could you forget that PP7 didn't get a foot in?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:14 am to ReauxlTide222
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How could you forget that PP7 didn't get a foot in?
Because the premise was "Bama guys always defend their people." Of course you would go with an LSU player doing or not doing something. Classic.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:15 am to therick711
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Dial made a play on a Murray who was trying to make a play.
Well, he was fair game, to be fair.
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Foster didn't launch.
He launched...Fournette's arse into the turf...
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Dre Kirkpatrick didn't flop and give himself a concussion.
TM7 makes an illegal push from behind, and its our guys fault that he was injured. Great.
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Barrett Jones' "finesse block" (as called by Gary Danielson) in the SECCG against Georgia wasn't a hold.
lol now you are realllllly reaching.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:18 am to therick711
quote:Oh. Julio touched the ball while standing OOB, no INT.
Because the premise was "Bama guys always defend their people." Of course you would go with an LSU player doing or not doing something. Classic.
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