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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:26 pm to GamecockUltimate
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at some point some historical rivalries probably can't be played every year
If the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry isn't played every year I will livestream my self immolation on the bridge between Tate Plaza and the stadium
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:33 pm to MtVernon
The problem with the division format is it takes forever to work across each of the teams for a home and home series.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:33 pm to gaius julius bevo
I wish the SEC would go to 9 games. Better games for the fans who pay to go to games. No one wants to watch SEC teams play SWAC schools. Get rid of 2 of the rent a win games.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:34 pm to gaius julius bevo
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Did any official remarks ever come out of the league offices about why a pod or divisional system wasn't picked? I'm aware of the fan pros and cons of the approaches - just curious if Mr. Sankey, etc., ever said anything about it.
Pods are a dumb idea.
You are just for some reason introducing the problem with divisions in the first place that we've seen over the years. Where you can have multiple good teams in the same division/pod, but they get left out while some pod/division with a bunch of crappy team gets rewarded.
Not to mention it doesn't even remotely work with rival games.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:35 pm to BZ504
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I wish the SEC would go to 9 games. Better games for the fans who pay to go to games. No one wants to watch SEC teams play SWAC schools. Get rid of 2 of the rent a win games.
Just adding more losses to the conference. Replace the SWAC with higher qualify OOC games, not more SEC games.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:41 pm to 3down10
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Just adding more losses to the conference. Replace the SWAC with higher qualify OOC games, not more SEC games.
I agree with this idea. Of course, that's only true if we are going to stop losing to the OOC teams that we do play.
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
USC
Miami
California
Georgia State
Toledo
Arizona State
That's a lot of L's in OOC play.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:42 pm to Marty Dawg
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If the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry isn't played every year I will livestream my self immolation on the bridge between Tate Plaza and the stadium
cool but how many protected rivalries are you asking for?
UGA- Auburn
UGA - UT
UGA - UF
at a point you cant get all your wishes and scheduling be fair for a 16 team conference. Don't get me wrong, I get it...Bama and UGA are top dawgs and probably should have a little extra say, but it shouldnt mean that teams like say SC has to play all the left over every year just to protect some rivalries. Prior to expanding to 16, it wasnt a big deal, plenty of games to go around.
I mean in our particular case we lost all of our border "rivals" for 2 years.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:09 pm to MtVernon
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So I understand why no pods, but divisions like they had before would satisfy all scheduling except maybe LSU and Miss schools.
LSU's rivalry with FL only became a thing after the expansion to 12 and their rivalry with Alabama only existed because of Saban who is now retired.
Breaking up State and Alabama would mean the two schools who are physically closest to each other wouldn't play annually, which is already happening this year and next. This will be the first year since 1947 MSU/Alabama haven't played and considering State's losing streak and where their program is currently, I don't think they'll cry too much about losing that game.
What rivalry with this proposed East would Ole Miss lose? Despite only being a 3 hour drive away, they didn't play Alabama more frequently than 60% of the time until 1992. Any rivalry they have with Auburn was because of Tuberville. What are they losing? Vandy? Ok... I'll let a Vandy fan speak on that but I'd assume Vandy rates UTK and UK above OM.
7 games against your division then 2 from the other division.
That would keep the DSOR, WLOCP, TSIO, Iron Bowl, Egg Bowl, RRSO, A&M/tu, and others as annual games, and it would give some intrigue to the cross division games.
Also, you wouldn't hear people like Auburn bitch about their out of division perm.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:10 pm to BigBro
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Tennessee needs to play Alabama + Vanderbilt
Of course they do.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:57 pm to BigBro
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Alabama needs to play Auburn + Tennessee
Auburn needs to play Alabama + Georgia
Georgia needs to play Florida + Auburn
Tennessee needs to play Alabama + Vanderbilt
There are far more games than just those that the conference wants to keep yearly.
Tex-OU
Tex-A&M
Tex-Ark
Ala-LSU
UGA-Tenn
...and so on and so forth. Yes, we as fans are passionate about keeping these games because they are the ones most important to us as fans, but from a conference governance perspective, they also want to keep these games because they are the ones that bring the most eyeballs on TV. The SEC's television package looks less attractive if, say, Tex-OU only gets played every other year, and in years where it isn't played it gets replaced by games like Tex-Vandy and OU-State. Same for all the other big rivalry games that draw viewers in droves. So those games are going to stay. It's just a matter of what final model they settle on for the scheduling.
I also think that they went to a two-year "bridge" schedule because, at the time that announcement was made, it looked like the ACC might be about to fall apart, and they believed another round of expansion might be on the immediate horizon.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:00 pm to SEC. 593
Correct. This is very close to the way the NFL rolls.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:02 pm to gaius julius bevo
quote:Thing is, if Urbs were still coaching gata that schedule wouldn't seem as difficult as it does with Sunbelt Billy.
Florida has a difficult, but glorious schedule. That's a very exciting slate for fans if only Coach Napier was winning.
In other words it would be full of exciting matchups, but not insurmountable...and for sure would get Gata in the top 5 if they only drop one or two games.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:10 pm to 49 to nada
Yep, that's the point I am making. A tough schedule is a good thing in my book. I wouldn't have minded trading schedules with OU this year. Two losses still gets you into the playoff.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:29 pm to BigBro
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Seems pretty simple doesn't it? Thats why its unlikely to happen LOL....but it makes sense.
I'm guessing LSU would hate that schedule
Presumably not just LSU but also Ole Miss and MSU. Seven of the remaining ten "original" teams would be in the east and be less affected.
It would destroy almost every meaningful conference rivalry from my perspective. At that point you wonder whether leaving the conference to schedule Alabama, Florida, Auburn, etc is a possibility instead.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:33 pm to BigBro
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Pods are not possible with these teams.
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Tennessee
Well they are possible, but they aren't possible if you want to play all teams 2x every 4 years, which seemed to be the priority.
Alabama needs to play Auburn + Tennessee
Auburn needs to play Alabama + Georgia
Georgia needs to play Florida + Auburn
Tennessee needs to play Alabama + Vanderbilt
Our historic rivalries across our conference are worth more to our respective schools than your baby shite-colored program finally getting to sit with the cool kids.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:35 pm to Murph4HOF
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LSU's rivalry with FL only became a thing after the expansion to 12
That's untrue (it goes back decades earlier) and even if it were true more than 30 years of games in a very competitive series is still important to keep.
LSU vs Florida, LSU vs Auburn, and LSU vs Alabama have been hugely important and popular games in the last couple decades
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:35 pm to twk
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They did something similar when we joined in 2012, calling that year a "bridge" schedule.
Which was more fricked up than a football bat because DSOR played two consecutive years at Auburn.
Then those pussies cried to the SEC again because it was too hard for them to have to play UGA & Bama in the same 3 week stretch every year, yanking the DSOR game out of potential cold weather territory.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:55 pm to molsusports
quote:Worry about how the B1G 22 or whatever is going to keep all their stupid fricking trophy games after adding midwest football stalwarts Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA.
That's untrue (it goes back decades earlier) and even if it were true more than 30 years of games in a very competitive series is still important to keep.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:03 pm to Murph4HOF
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That's untrue (it goes back decades earlier) and even if it were true more than 30 years of games in a very competitive series is still important to keep.
Worry about how the B1G 22 or whatever is going to keep all their stupid fricking trophy games after adding midwest football stalwarts Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA
I don't understand your train of thought. I think the expansion of the Big 10 is a net negative that will screw up a lot of historical rivalry games.
What's your angle with the quoted text and response?
I also don't understand even pretending LSU and Florida didn't regularly play before the expansion to 12 in 1992. They've played 68 times since 1953.
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