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re: Derrick Henry is one of the most disrespected CFB players ever
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:24 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:24 pm to SammyTiger
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Once he got real carries he was a 5.8 and 5.5 YPC player.
Are these supposed to be bad numbers?
He averaged 8.1 ypc his final year at Alabama at any rate. ETA: It's actually 5.6, read record wrong
Among the highest and higher than any SEC RB in history for a single season.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:25 pm to SammyTiger
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5.5 yards means he is not doing much with all the other ones.
You are acting as if 5.5 ypc is bad or something. If you give a RB the ball 400 times and he still averages 5.6 ypc, then that is not something that you can rationally use to downplay him as a player, or use as a checkmark against him in this argument.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:28 pm to SammyTiger
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He was a great workhorse back that had a great year on a great team with a great OL and Defense. He also averaged 5.5 yards a carry and if he didn't get almost 400 carries we wouldn't be talking about his college career at all.
You could basically rework this statement to talk about Joe Burrow.
"He was a great Spread-Offense QB that had a great year on a great team with a great OL and (at times) great Defense. He also had a mediocre junior season and if he didn't get a new passing game coordinator and have three of the best SEC WRs ever we wouldn't be talking about his college career at all."
But we all know Joe is one of the top 3 CFB QBs of the decade and maybe #1.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
On the career YPC list, Henry is currently ranked tied for 13th place on the all time NFL list with 4.8 YPC.
So in the history of the NFL, only 12 RBs have had a higher career YPC.
He is only .2 YPC away from Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers, who are tied for 8th with Joe Perry.
#1 is Michael Vick with 7.0
Drops quickly down to Cam Newton who is 6th with 5.1
So in the history of the NFL, only 12 RBs have had a higher career YPC.
He is only .2 YPC away from Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers, who are tied for 8th with Joe Perry.
#1 is Michael Vick with 7.0
Drops quickly down to Cam Newton who is 6th with 5.1
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:35 pm to PhillyFan1994
Two Wisconsin RBs and neither of them named Monte Ball. Interesting.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:42 pm to Funky Tide 8
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You are acting as if 5.5 ypc is bad or something. If you give a RB the ball 400 times and he still averages 5.6 ypc, then that is not something that you can rationally use to downplay him as a player, or use as a checkmark against him in this argument.
Its a low YPC for the best RB in SEC history. I don't even think he is the best back in the SEC in 2015.
Fournette averaged 6.5 yards a carry. He finished with 266 less yards while playing 3 less games and getting 95 less carries.
Herny played with a significantly better passing game, and better OL.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:55 pm to 3down10
Sure, but he is also at the peak of his career. His YPC will never be better than it is going to be during the next few seasons. If he keeps playing his YPC will eventually go down like everyone else on that list.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:58 pm to 3down10
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Are these supposed to be bad numbers?
THey aren't best all time numbers.
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He averaged 8.1 ypc his final year at Alabama at any rate.
No he did not average that.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:02 pm to PhillyFan1994
Fournette and Freeman is above Zeke, Chubb, Henry, and McCaffrey? Not a chance.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:09 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
how many of those backs played with a QB who threw 160 yards a game?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:26 pm to SammyTiger
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No he did not average that.
I read it wrong on a record page.
But I'm not seeing where you are getting the 5.5 number either.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:40 pm to 3down10
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But I'm not seeing where you are getting the 5.5 number either.
its 5.6. I was wrong.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:48 pm to PhillyFan1994
I am not saying its all because he was on Bama, I am saying he got almost 400 carries, and his effeciency numbers aren't elite.
You can say "Joe threw the ball a lot" and thats true, but he also was top end in a lot of efficiency ratings too.
#1 Completion Percentage in SEC History
#1 Passer Rating in SEC and National History
#2 Yards per Attempts in SEC History
He wasn't #1 in passing attempts in SEC History (he was 4th, but he was #1 in completions.
and he broke the passing yards records by 1400+ yards.
You can say "Joe threw the ball a lot" and thats true, but he also was top end in a lot of efficiency ratings too.
#1 Completion Percentage in SEC History
#1 Passer Rating in SEC and National History
#2 Yards per Attempts in SEC History
He wasn't #1 in passing attempts in SEC History (he was 4th, but he was #1 in completions.
and he broke the passing yards records by 1400+ yards.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:54 pm to SammyTiger
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I am not saying its all because he was on Bama, I am saying he got almost 400 carries, and his effeciency numbers aren't elite.
You can say "Joe threw the ball a lot" and thats true, but he also was top end in a lot of efficiency ratings too.
#1 Completion Percentage in SEC History
#1 Passer Rating in SEC and National History
#2 Yards per Attempts in SEC History
He wasn't #1 in passing attempts in SEC History (he was 4th, but he was #1 in completions.
and he broke the passing yards records by 1400+ yards.
More carries means the defenses are going to be keyed in on you more.
5 QBs made the top25 all time efficiency record books in 2009. Tua wasn't even elibigle in 2019, but also made the record books in 2018 along with a few others. Tua would have been 6 for this year alone and also #1.
It's the offenses being run in college football right now. Before long, the entire all time top25 will be nothing but QBs who played from like 2010 forward, only 5 before 2010 already.
Passing Efficiency Rating Single Season Leaders and RecordsLINK
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:18 pm to 3down10
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More carries means the defenses are going to be keyed in on you more.
Alabama had a 59:41 Run: Pass ratio
LSU had a 64.5:35.5 Run Pass Ratio
You also had a 1st round pick at WRs. LSU's #1 WR was Malachai Dupre.
shite look at Bo Jackson in 1985
They rant he ball 76.7% of the time.
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More carries means the defenses are going to be keyed in on you more.
and 1 QB made the top 1.
Not only was he super efficient (something again Henry was not)
He was also prolific. 60 Tds (1st all time) 5671 yards (3rd best all time) despite only being 77ths in passing attempts all time.
AND none of this is an excuse for Henry having the YPC percentage outside the top 300
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:23 pm to SammyTiger
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Alabama had a 59:41 Run: Pass ratio
LSU had a 64.5:35.5 Run Pass Ratio
You also had a 1st round pick at WRs. LSU's #1 WR was Malachai Dupre.
shite look at Bo Jackson in 1985
They rant he ball 76.7% of the time.
Bo got 45% of the total carries in 1985. 278 carries out of 611 for the team.
Henry got 395 carries out of 633, 62% of the carries.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:24 pm to SammyTiger
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and 1 QB made the top 1.
Not only was he super efficient (something again Henry was not)
He was also prolific. 60 Tds (1st all time) 5671 yards (3rd best all time) despite only being 77ths in passing attempts all time.
AND none of this is an excuse for Henry having the YPC percentage outside the top 300
Do Joe Burrows previous year when he didn't have the RPO.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:26 pm to 3down10
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Do Joe Burrows previous year when he didn't have the RPO.
I am sure you are telling your grandkids about Derrick Henry's Sophmore year too.
Both of them Had 1 great year. Burrows 1 great year was better than Henry's.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:28 pm to SammyTiger
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I am sure you are telling your grandkids about Derrick Henry's Sophmore year too.
Both of them Had 1 great year. Burrows 1 great year was better than Henry's.
Include his sophomore year and his stats get better. Especially the ones you keep harping on about.
Also true for his freshman year.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:36 pm to 3down10
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Include his sophomore year and his stats get better. Especially the ones you keep harping on about.
You didn't ask me to add Joe Burrows Junior your you asked me to look at it.
I didn't ask you to include it. I am just pointing that 990 yards on 5.8 yards a carry isn't super human.
Henry had 1 good year. Burrow had 1 good year.
Henry set SEC records
Joe Set more national records.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 5:29 pm
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