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re: Derrick Henry is one of the most disrespected CFB players ever
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:45 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:45 pm to SammyTiger
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Its a low YPC for the best RB in SEC history.
And yet Herschel Walker is held up as a god in the SEC despite only averaging 5.2 YPC in his Heisman season. The year he set the SEC rushing record for yards in a season his YPC was 4.9.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:48 pm to 3down10
Unless you are running the triple option (poorly) That has nothing to do with "keying in" on a player.
Henry got a lot of carries, but when he was on the field Alabama was still more likely to pass than ball than Auburn or LSU, and they were generally better at it.
Look what happened against Michigan State. Derrick Henry averaged 3.8 yards a carry on 20 carries. Jake Cocker passed for 280 yards on 80%+ passing.
If you sold out to take away Henry, Coker could beat you . Brandon Harris could not. Pat Washington Could not.
You couldn't just sell out to stop the run Vs Alabama. Hell he averaged a moderate 4.4 yards vs clemson and Cocker threw for over 300 yards
Henry got a lot of carries, but when he was on the field Alabama was still more likely to pass than ball than Auburn or LSU, and they were generally better at it.
Look what happened against Michigan State. Derrick Henry averaged 3.8 yards a carry on 20 carries. Jake Cocker passed for 280 yards on 80%+ passing.
If you sold out to take away Henry, Coker could beat you . Brandon Harris could not. Pat Washington Could not.
You couldn't just sell out to stop the run Vs Alabama. Hell he averaged a moderate 4.4 yards vs clemson and Cocker threw for over 300 yards
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:51 pm to SammyTiger
Coker was an underrated QB. He threw for over 3,000 yards in 2015 and completed 67% of his passes.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:54 pm to RollTide1987
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Coker was an underrated QB. He threw for over 3,000 yards in 2015 and completed 67% of his passes.
Absolutely
he went 41/55 with 621 yards and 4 TDs in the playoffs. He was beyond just a game manager at that point.
Which is sorta my point. You couldn't successfully jsut stack the box against Alabama.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 5:55 pm to RollTide1987
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And yet Herschel Walker is held up as a god in the SEC despite only averaging 5.2 YPC in his Heisman season. The year he set the SEC rushing record for yards in a season his YPC was 4.9.
Hey I’m not gonna lie, he’s a bit overrated.
I mean Offenses where different back then but 385 carries and 4.9 YPC wasn’t great back then either.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 5:59 pm to SammyTiger
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You didn't ask me to add Joe Burrows Junior your you asked me to look at it.
I didn't ask you to include it. I am just pointing that 990 yards on 5.8 yards a carry isn't super human.
Henry had 1 good year. Burrow had 1 good year.
Henry set SEC records
Joe Set more national records.
I was pointing out that those records don't mean much because it's obvious the new offenses are abusing the college rules for lineman downfield.
It'll probably get broken next year. Tua would have broken it this year, but he didn't have enough passes to qualify due to injuries. His number was even better than his previous year.
But he had 2 years in the RPO, so those records don't mean much. High efficiency is the reason that offense gets run, and big numbers there are the new norm.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 5:59 pm to SammyTiger
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Absolutely
he went 41/55 with 621 yards and 4 TDs in the playoffs. He was beyond just a game manager at that point.
Which is sorta my point. You couldn't successfully jsut stack the box against Alabama.
Just think of what he could have done if he had a RB that was worth a shite to take the pressure off him.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:17 pm to 3down10
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I was pointing out that those records don't mean much because it's obvious the new offenses are abusing the college rules for lineman downfield.
I’m sure Alabama never held for Henry
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It'll probably get broken next year. Tua would have broken it this year, but he didn't have enough passes to qualify due to injuries. His number was even better than his previous year.
What’s interesting is that he actually had a passer rating over 200 in 2018 and then he shite his pants in the championship game.
RPOs aren’t new. Passer ratings over 200 are. 60 TD seasons are too.
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But he had 2 years in the RPO, so those records don't mean much. High efficiency is the reason that offense gets run, and big numbers there are the new norm.
LSU didn’t run as much RPO as you think.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:01 am to RollTide1987
If you saw Herschel play..youd hold him up too
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:16 am to SammyTiger
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You couldn't just sell out to stop the run Vs Alabama.
2015 Coker
2015 DH
There were 5 SEC games where Jake Coker passed for under 200 yards.
Henry rushed for for over 200 yards in 4 of those games, and 148 in the other one.
Come on man, lets not act like Jake Coker was Dan Marino here, or even AJ McCarron. That is a poor argument.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:48 am to PhillyFan1994
clearly that man don't know shiite from shinola bout football.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:20 am to Funky Tide 8
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Come on man, lets not act like Jake Coker was Dan Marino here, or even AJ McCarron. That is a poor argument.
I don't think he was arguing that. While I disagree with what he's trying to say, I think it obvious that the 2015 Alabama offense was more than just 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust. Coker was beyond competent in his role as the starting QB and was efficient with how he distributed the football.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:18 am to RollTide1987
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I don't think he was arguing that. While I disagree with what he's trying to say, I think it obvious that the 2015 Alabama offense was more than just 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust. Coker was beyond competent in his role as the starting QB and was efficient with how he distributed the football.
In about half the games in 2015, yes, Coker was that.
But in the other half(specifically the ones that I mentioned) he was pretty damned mediocre as a passer.
But even in those games where his passing was mediocre, Coker played with grit and toughness, and made some big plays. I am not tearing down Coker, he was a great player for us. A legend. I am just saying that in Coker's worst passing performances, Henry had his biggest games, which is why it is a dumb argument to say that Henry benefited from passing game more than the passing game benefited from Henry.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:23 am to Funky Tide 8
Hes still leaps and bounds better than Brandon Harris or whoever Bo Jackson's QB was.
And when asked he stepped up:
In games where Henry ran for under 4 yards a cary and under 100 yards Coker went
23/33 262 Yards 2 TD 2 Int
25/30 286 yardss 2 td 0 Int
If you look at the only games LF7 was held under 4 yards a carry Brandon Harris put up these numbers
6/13 128 1 TD 1 int.
We still only threw the ball 13 fricking times.
Henry may not have benefited from wide open fields, but if your defending bama you at least have to consider the pass.
If you're defending 2015 LSU you guess run and assume Brandon Harris will bail you out if you're wrong.
And when asked he stepped up:
In games where Henry ran for under 4 yards a cary and under 100 yards Coker went
23/33 262 Yards 2 TD 2 Int
25/30 286 yardss 2 td 0 Int
If you look at the only games LF7 was held under 4 yards a carry Brandon Harris put up these numbers
6/13 128 1 TD 1 int.
We still only threw the ball 13 fricking times.
Henry may not have benefited from wide open fields, but if your defending bama you at least have to consider the pass.
If you're defending 2015 LSU you guess run and assume Brandon Harris will bail you out if you're wrong.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:26 am to SammyTiger
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In games where Henry ran for under 4 yards a cary and under 100 yards Coker went
23/33 262 Yards 2 TD 2 Int
25/30 286 yardss 2 td 0 Int
You mean when the defense sold out on the run, the pass opened up?
Wow, never would have saw that coming.
Not sure why you want to bring up fourskin.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:30 am to 3down10
I know You won’t get this the 10th time I saynit But again: Coker was good enough (not great) to punish teams that sold out to stop the run.
He at least kept teams honest when the run game got bottled up.
Brandon Harris absolutely did not do that.
He at least kept teams honest when the run game got bottled up.
Brandon Harris absolutely did not do that.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:35 am to SammyTiger
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I know You won’t get this the 10th time I saynit But again: Coker was good enough (not great) to punish teams that sold out to stop the run.
He at least kept teams honest when the run game got bottled up.
Brandon Harris absolutely did not do that.
Are you trying to make a case that fourskin is better than Henry?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:42 am to SammyTiger
Coker also had some brilliant receivers to get the ball to. Calvin Ridley and ArDarius Stewart were absolutely electric that year. He also had O.J. Howard as a receiving option at tight end.
Ridley and Howard both eventually went in the first round of their respective drafts and have put up brilliant numbers in their time in the league.
Ridley and Howard both eventually went in the first round of their respective drafts and have put up brilliant numbers in their time in the league.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:24 am to 3down10
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Are you trying to make a case that fourskin is better than Henry?
Are you calling Fournette fourskin? I had Jo idea what you were talking about in your last post, you fricking weirdo.
But yes I am. In college he was better. If you flipped teams and carries do you think Henry comes close?
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:28 am to SammyTiger
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Are you calling Fournette fourskin? I had Jo idea what you were talking about in your last post, you fricking weirdo.
But yes I am. In college he was better. If you flipped teams and carries do you think Henry comes close?
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