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re: Curious to Auburn fan's thoughts on switching to the 3-4 defense.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:50 pm to DiafGtfo
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:50 pm to DiafGtfo
I hate Auburn, and I'm glad they suck again after they ran out of money. They deserve it. If I liked Auburn, god forbid, I would be demanding Roof gets roofied and disappears. Even Slick Willy Martinez would be an upgrade.
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Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:55 pm to ThugginItandLovinIt
I don't know why AU can't get the stud silverback MLB considering the success we've had recruiting, but until we do things won't change. I believe our LB play over the last 3 years are the main reason things (on defense) have been the way the have..
Posted on 11/14/11 at 10:56 pm to ThugginItandLovinIt
Thanks for you the insight into your pathetic life, ranter.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:01 pm to habits
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I believe our LB play over the last 3 years are the main reason things (on defense) have been the way the have..
LB? You put the blame on LB's more than DB's?
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:06 pm to adammwilson
Watching the UGA game two days ago its easy to say that. I hate our Db's as much as anyone.. but you got to stop the run first in this league plus we've had the worst tackling LBs ever.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:18 pm to habits
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Watching the UGA game two days ago its easy to say that.
watching any AU game the last two years it's easy to say that.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:24 pm to habits
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Watching the UGA game two days ago its easy to say that. I hate our Db's as much as anyone.. but you got to stop the run first in this league plus we've had the worst tackling LBs ever.
One of the worst moves Chizik has made was moving Bates to LB. I know we were thin at the time, but Bates is a disaster at LB. Not only does he play out of control, but he's what.. 5'10, 195?
Just dumb. Never understood this move.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:28 pm to habits
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I don't know why AU can't get the stud silverback MLB considering the success we've had recruiting, but until we do things won't change. I believe our LB play over the last 3 years are the main reason things (on defense) have been the way the have..
Auburn has one committed for 2013 that's suppose to be really good, although it seems his commitment is dependent on the future of Roof...
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:30 pm to AUTiger5
Totally agree about Bates.. Should have kept him at safety. Next year LB play will be more of same.. Holland will get pushed around like a ragdoll and Bates will continue to do his thing.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:32 pm to habits
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I don't know why AU can't get the stud silverback MLB considering the success we've had recruiting
you don't think Bynes was good?
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:38 pm to habits
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I don't know why AU can't get the stud silverback MLB considering the success we've had recruiting, but until we do things won't change. I believe our LB play over the last 3 years are the main reason things (on defense) have been the way the have..
Cassanova Mckinzy coming in looks good
Posted on 11/14/11 at 11:39 pm to adammwilson
Liked Bynes a lot.. bout the only one really but our D scheme requires the mlb to be somewhat decent in pass coverage, which Josh really lacked.
Bynes was the biggest part of shutting down the running game of our opponents RB's those years..
Bynes was the biggest part of shutting down the running game of our opponents RB's those years..
Posted on 11/15/11 at 6:46 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
A couple of reasons not to do it (both have already been mentioned):
1) Transition time to get players in to run it correctly. When Muschamp was DC at Auburn, we started recruiting guys to implement a 3-4 under him. After a couple of years, he leaves and goes to Texas, we bring in Rhodes (then Chiz with Roof)who goes back to a 4-3. You then have players recruited to run a 4-3 playing in a 3-4 and kidss recruited to run a 3-4 playing in a 4-3. Just doesn't work unless you are going to be committed to it for the long run (ie the head coach and any assistants are 3-4 diciples).
2) Bama and UGA already run 3-4 defenses. With Boom at UF, I can see them moving to a 3-4 as well. That means that big schools in the 3 states Auburn recruits in will all be running a 3-4 and recruiting against AU for those players. I don't know much about Dooley's assistants, but with the Saban influence there you could (potentially) see UT switch as well which adds more recruiting competition in Georgia...
Much easier pickings for recruiting when you are running a scheme that your major competitors are not, plus more high schools run 4-3 so more experience/more kids to recruit in that scheme.
1) Transition time to get players in to run it correctly. When Muschamp was DC at Auburn, we started recruiting guys to implement a 3-4 under him. After a couple of years, he leaves and goes to Texas, we bring in Rhodes (then Chiz with Roof)who goes back to a 4-3. You then have players recruited to run a 4-3 playing in a 3-4 and kidss recruited to run a 3-4 playing in a 4-3. Just doesn't work unless you are going to be committed to it for the long run (ie the head coach and any assistants are 3-4 diciples).
2) Bama and UGA already run 3-4 defenses. With Boom at UF, I can see them moving to a 3-4 as well. That means that big schools in the 3 states Auburn recruits in will all be running a 3-4 and recruiting against AU for those players. I don't know much about Dooley's assistants, but with the Saban influence there you could (potentially) see UT switch as well which adds more recruiting competition in Georgia...
Much easier pickings for recruiting when you are running a scheme that your major competitors are not, plus more high schools run 4-3 so more experience/more kids to recruit in that scheme.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:21 am to habits
I miss the days of Karlos Dansby and Dontarrious Thomas. :sigh:
The Bull can provide similar run support but he looks like a wet fart in pass coverage.
The Bull can provide similar run support but he looks like a wet fart in pass coverage.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:23 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
We can't find 1 good LB, so I don't know how we are going to get 4.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:35 am to PJinAtl
The Tampa 2 is a excellent system just like any system when you have the right personnel....
A good Tampa 2 system...think '02 Tampa Bucs...
You need a D-Line that can rush the passer without having to blitz. A pass rusher at DT(Warren Sapp) and at DE(Simeon Rice). Must stop the run as well.
You need LB's that are fast and make tackles plus can play good zone defense(Derrick Brooks).
You needs CBs that play the run and MAKE TACKLES and have good ball skills on passes in their zone(Ronde Barber & Brian Kelly).
You need a safety who is smart and can come up and stuff the run but also plays very well over in his zone D(John Lynch) and you need a ball hawk(Dexter Jackson).
If you look back at the '04 Auburn D, it had all these elements. Could stop the run, could rush the passer with no blitz, played great pass D and made tackles in the back 7....
I can work, but I'm not sold on ted Roof. He needs to be replaced.
A good Tampa 2 system...think '02 Tampa Bucs...
You need a D-Line that can rush the passer without having to blitz. A pass rusher at DT(Warren Sapp) and at DE(Simeon Rice). Must stop the run as well.
You need LB's that are fast and make tackles plus can play good zone defense(Derrick Brooks).
You needs CBs that play the run and MAKE TACKLES and have good ball skills on passes in their zone(Ronde Barber & Brian Kelly).
You need a safety who is smart and can come up and stuff the run but also plays very well over in his zone D(John Lynch) and you need a ball hawk(Dexter Jackson).
If you look back at the '04 Auburn D, it had all these elements. Could stop the run, could rush the passer with no blitz, played great pass D and made tackles in the back 7....
I can work, but I'm not sold on ted Roof. He needs to be replaced.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:37 am to TTsTowel
4/3 is just as good if not better then a 3/4. If you want a 3/4 you have to have a tackle to gobble up blocks in the middle and make lanes for you're lber's.
I prefer to get pressure with a front four.
I prefer to get pressure with a front four.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:39 am to WDE24
I think a lot of people forget we've lost 5-6 guys on D this year to injuries that would be starting at this point. That is killing us.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:40 am to thirdlawson
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Curious to Auburn fan's thoughts on switching to the 3-4 defense. The Tampa 2 is a excellent system just like any system when you have the right personnel.... A good Tampa 2 system...think '02 Tampa Bucs... You need a D-Line that can rush the passer without having to blitz. A pass rusher at DT(Warren Sapp) and at DE(Simeon Rice). Must stop the run as well. You need LB's that are fast and make tackles plus can play good zone defense(Derrick Brooks). You needs CBs that play the run and MAKE TACKLES and have good ball skills on passes in their zone(Ronde Barber & Brian Kelly). You need a safety who is smart and can come up and stuff the run but also plays very well over in his zone D(John Lynch) and you need a ball hawk(Dexter Jackson). If you look back at the '04 Auburn D, it had all these elements. Could stop the run, could rush the passer with no blitz, played great pass D and made tackles in the back 7.... I can work, but I'm not sold on ted Roof. He needs to be replaced.
If you have those kind of players, it won't matter what system you use
Posted on 11/15/11 at 8:56 am to dreaux
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Curious to Auburn fan's thoughts on switching to the 3-4 defense. The Tampa 2 is a excellent system just like any system when you have the right personnel.... A good Tampa 2 system...think '02 Tampa Bucs... You need a D-Line that can rush the passer without having to blitz. A pass rusher at DT(Warren Sapp) and at DE(Simeon Rice). Must stop the run as well. You need LB's that are fast and make tackles plus can play good zone defense(Derrick Brooks). You needs CBs that play the run and MAKE TACKLES and have good ball skills on passes in their zone(Ronde Barber & Brian Kelly). You need a safety who is smart and can come up and stuff the run but also plays very well over in his zone D(John Lynch) and you need a ball hawk(Dexter Jackson). If you look back at the '04 Auburn D, it had all these elements. Could stop the run, could rush the passer with no blitz, played great pass D and made tackles in the back 7.... I can work, but I'm not sold on ted Roof. He needs to be replaced.
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If you have those kind of players, it won't matter what system you use
Just giving examples of how and why it worked. But those guys played in a system, and I don't think Barber and Lynch would have been great in any other system, IMHO...
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