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re: Could Saban have had the same success if he never left LSU?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:10 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:10 pm to SidewalkTiger
No. LSU never had the makings of an Elite Blue Blood Football Program. A handful of National Championships in the last 20 years doesn’t change that. Even if its the best 20 years of their entire history.
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:12 pm to arp0925
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No. LSU never had the makings of an Elite Blue Blood Football Program
Which is?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:13 pm to TeLeFaWx
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LSU isn’t capable of what Saban has done in Tuscaloosa. How is that not obvious?
Why not?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
No
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:38 pm to Mizzou4ever
And Mizzou is not and never will be Ole'Miss.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why not?
Alabama is capable of national dominance. LSU is not.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:32 pm to SidewalkTiger
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No. LSU never had the makings of an Elite Blue Blood Football Program
Which is?
The mystique for one. Certain programs/organizations have it. Take the NY Yankees or the LA Lakers or the Green Bay Packers for example. You can add Alabama to this list, do you honestly think LSU belongs on this list?
As far as other Elite Blue Blood college football program, there is Ohio State, Texas, and USC
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:50 pm to arp0925
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The mystique for one. Certain programs/organizations have it. Take the NY Yankees or the LA Lakers or the Green Bay Packers for example. You can add Alabama to this list, do you honestly think LSU belongs on this list?
As far as other Elite Blue Blood college football program, there is Ohio State, Texas, and USC
LSU has about as much "mystique" as all of those programs.
Clemson has turned into a 21st century blue blood with less success than LSU in a shorter period of time.
So LSU with Saban? for 20 years? Yes, they would have the same "mystique" as any program in the country.
"mystique" hasn't done shite for Texas or USC in 15 years. They should be national powers who get any recruit they want, right?
ETA: all I'm seeing in this entire thread is a bunch of non quantifiable factors being listed for the reason LSU wouldn't have had equal success if Saban never left. the quantifiable factors are that LSU, with 2 worse coaches, have the second most championships since Saban started at Alabama. Yet somehow, we wouldn't find 3 more in a 13 year span
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:55 pm to PP7 for heisman
The answer boils down to do you feel Saban is the "GOAT" coach or is it Bama that helped him there. If he is truley the best and already won a NC at LSU and has the advantage that Bama doesn't of having no real competition in state recruiting in an athlete rich state. So the real answer is...
Is coach Saban the goat of all goat coaches or
Did Bama help "make" Saban the goat
If he is the Goat then he would have as many if not more NC now at LSU than what he has now
Is coach Saban the goat of all goat coaches or
Did Bama help "make" Saban the goat
If he is the Goat then he would have as many if not more NC now at LSU than what he has now
Posted on 7/8/21 at 3:44 am to arp0925
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The mystique for one. Certain programs/organizations have it. Take the NY Yankees or the LA Lakers or the Green Bay Packers for example. You can add Alabama to this list, do you honestly think LSU belongs on this list?
As far as other Elite Blue Blood college football program, there is Ohio State, Texas, and USC
LSU has won more titles than any other school with the "mystique" in the last 20 years besides Alabama.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:08 am to SidewalkTiger
I think LSU wins in 05, 06, 07. atleast 06-07.
But in the end no.
Saban is was a different coach after leaving the NFL. HE got to see how the modern NFL set everything up and essentially replicated that at BAMA. Plus many at LSU were starting to fight him on somethings.
Would he still have 5+ NCs? prolly, as I think he racks up 3 by end of 07 season and prolly one in 2011, one in 2013 but after that I dont think so.
I would never say no, cause he is by far the GOAT and there is a reason for that. Honestly though I think failing somewhat in the Pros (his failures are almost as overblown as Pete Carrols first stint) I dont think he becomes as flexible as he is today. Also not sure LSU 100% buy in to his whole grand vision as fast as BAMA did.
Of course LSU has bought in now, but that was more forced on them with Bama's buy in.
But in the end no.
Saban is was a different coach after leaving the NFL. HE got to see how the modern NFL set everything up and essentially replicated that at BAMA. Plus many at LSU were starting to fight him on somethings.
Would he still have 5+ NCs? prolly, as I think he racks up 3 by end of 07 season and prolly one in 2011, one in 2013 but after that I dont think so.
I would never say no, cause he is by far the GOAT and there is a reason for that. Honestly though I think failing somewhat in the Pros (his failures are almost as overblown as Pete Carrols first stint) I dont think he becomes as flexible as he is today. Also not sure LSU 100% buy in to his whole grand vision as fast as BAMA did.
Of course LSU has bought in now, but that was more forced on them with Bama's buy in.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:17 am to SidewalkTiger
No. Bama made the smart move and got out of the way and cut off any outside influence to the program. Saban told the big money boosters and the power brokers to kick rocks. They gave the man COMPLETE control over everything.
That’s something LSU or any other SEC would never do.
That’s something LSU or any other SEC would never do.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:36 am to SidewalkTiger
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Could Saban have had the same success if he never left LSU?
Yes, I think he would still have 6-7 national titles (maybe more) and Bama probably wouldn’t have any.
I would argue that a great CFB HC is the surest winner in all of American team sports as far as being consistently successful year after year across multiple programs. You recruit the entire roster with no player off limits, you hire the staff, and you have players long enough that development is important but not so long that you can ride a Tom Brady for 15 years.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:52 am to lsu777
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Saban is was a different coach after leaving the NFL.
That's ridiculous.
The difference was after 25 long years being the first coach privileged to read the ingredients of coach Bryants secret football sauce buried in a vault in a very special room of the Bryant Museum. He had to take an oath of a lifetime commitment to the Crimson Tide before being granted entry.
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