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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:01 am to JCdawg
Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:01 am to JCdawg
thats not even close to true. Sure Notre Dame is the #1 prize and they would be the only school outside the south we would take and they would still allow us to be continuous.
But you need to look at the Nielson impact score. you are right in that this round is all about money but new states dont quite matter as much as matchups. I do think the SEC would want to get into NC and VA market although they already own the NC Market overall.
any school that is brought in, must at a minimum keep the payout per school the same, and as a whole of 4 that we assume will be added they must add to the total payout to each.
next thing is they want to be continuous and they want to have culture fits.
So 9 of the top 10 on nielson impact score where current SEC teams with only OSU breaking into the top 10 outside the conference.
of the ACC schools, or related, ND was of course first by a long ways. But they are not joining, period unless they are in danger of being left out the playoff picture totally. right now another 15 years from that.
Miami finished #1 in total viewership but that was boosted by number games played. if you look at it strictly from viewership its from last year
Miami (highest average viewership at 2.24 million viewers per game)
Georgia Tech (second in the ACC with an average of 1.89 million viewers per game)
Clemson (approximately 1.7 million viewers per game)
Florida State (approximately 1.64 million viewers per game)
but if you include social media its Clemson on top.
but UNC and the VA schools do bring a new state which does matter somewhat, especially in UNC case as its a big get for either conference.
point is
UNC
Clemson
Miami
all add money to the contract for different reasons. I dont think Miami fits though. I do think they want to add a new state if possible so imo its
UNC
VA
Clemson
FSU
you get the matchups form Clemson and FSU. Get prestigious schools in UNC and VA that actually have decent impact scores. Like VA is ranked 33 in impact scores, ahead of VTech.
But you need to look at the Nielson impact score. you are right in that this round is all about money but new states dont quite matter as much as matchups. I do think the SEC would want to get into NC and VA market although they already own the NC Market overall.
any school that is brought in, must at a minimum keep the payout per school the same, and as a whole of 4 that we assume will be added they must add to the total payout to each.
next thing is they want to be continuous and they want to have culture fits.
So 9 of the top 10 on nielson impact score where current SEC teams with only OSU breaking into the top 10 outside the conference.
of the ACC schools, or related, ND was of course first by a long ways. But they are not joining, period unless they are in danger of being left out the playoff picture totally. right now another 15 years from that.
Miami finished #1 in total viewership but that was boosted by number games played. if you look at it strictly from viewership its from last year
Miami (highest average viewership at 2.24 million viewers per game)
Georgia Tech (second in the ACC with an average of 1.89 million viewers per game)
Clemson (approximately 1.7 million viewers per game)
Florida State (approximately 1.64 million viewers per game)
but if you include social media its Clemson on top.
but UNC and the VA schools do bring a new state which does matter somewhat, especially in UNC case as its a big get for either conference.
point is
UNC
Clemson
Miami
all add money to the contract for different reasons. I dont think Miami fits though. I do think they want to add a new state if possible so imo its
UNC
VA
Clemson
FSU
you get the matchups form Clemson and FSU. Get prestigious schools in UNC and VA that actually have decent impact scores. Like VA is ranked 33 in impact scores, ahead of VTech.
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:31 pm to volfan57836
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what is Mizzou contributing in? Being a bunch of dorks?
Showing the rest of the conference that Vols are our bitches....
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:54 pm to lsu777
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you are right in that this round is all about money but new states dont quite matter as much as matchups. I do think the SEC would want to get into NC and VA market although they already own the NC Market overall.
This 100%. It's not just about the # of TVs in a given state but rather about how many more TVs across the country will turn on by adding said new teams.
I'd argue that Clemson, FSU, Miami would all turn on more TVs than UNC does in football. Especially after Belichick gets run out of town because he refuses to spend any time kissing the asses of the power alums at UNC.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:11 pm to lsu777
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any school that is brought in, must at a minimum keep the payout per school the same, and as a whole of 4 that we assume will be added they must add to the total payout to each.
Tell me, how much did UTrans and Chokelahoma add to the total payout of each member school?
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:16 pm to Buster83
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Tell me, how much did UTrans and Chokelahoma add to the total payout of each member school?
A better question would be how much did aggy suck from the SEC teet this year?
If you look at the most watched SEC games this year it was (in some order) Georgia, LSU, Texas, Bama, OU, Fla.
Although there were a lot of viewers of when Texas beat aggy in college station.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:32 pm to volfan57836
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Conference Expansion
Is this where we bitch about Missouri not being in the Souph?
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:34 pm to NaturalStateReb
It's not about what the SEC wants, it's about what ESPN wants.
If they want to move properties over from the ACC, so they can pay the ACC significantly less, they'll do it to consolidate their product.
If they want to move properties over from the ACC, so they can pay the ACC significantly less, they'll do it to consolidate their product.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 5:24 pm to volfan57836
Adding FSU and Clemson are non starters.
They add nothing to the conference.
It's UNC and UVA or nobody.
They add nothing to the conference.
It's UNC and UVA or nobody.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 6:32 pm to volfan57836
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volfan57836
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Miss State- Forget they exist sometimes, not a big fanbase and has 1 natty in the HISTORY of their athletic department
you wanna compare Athletic programs since the demise of Jefferson pilot sports broadcasts? Even with TN playing much easier football schedules every single year? And how many championships has TN won in the 21st century?
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 7/29/25 at 7:47 pm to terriblegreen
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We would all take State over Texass every day of the week.
That’s the difference.
Texas in the big 12 they probably didn’t really respect the small schools. Was just a game to them. Texas Tech, K State whatever.
SEC is a deep rooted tradition conference. We all respect State and Vandy. Sure there’s rivalries and some hatred with some but at the end of the day you know State is a cornerstone SEC program, regardless of wins or losses on the field.
Same with Vandy.
They would never be asked to leave or moved.
You can’t have an SEC without State or Vandy.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 8:23 pm to NickPapageorgio
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Adding FSU and Clemson are non starters.
They add nothing to the conference.
That is untrue, they add 16 more good fb matchups to the SEC every season, viewership will increase for espn all the way around compared to them playing the dregs of the ACC
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:09 pm to GTnerd
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That is untrue, they add 16 more good fb matchups to the SEC every season, viewership will increase for espn all the way around compared to them playing the dregs of the ACC
Wrong.
It does nothing for the SEC because the SEC already has good matchups in its entire footprint for ESPN to broadcast. What it would do is completely wipe the decent matchups that ESPN currently has in the ACC. Hardly anyone would watch ACC football without those two schools, and they wouldn’t add enough being in the SEC to replace the loss from the ACC games.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:10 pm to NickPapageorgio
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Adding FSU and Clemson are non starters. They add nothing to the conference. It's UNC and UVA or nobody.
Correct.
It doesn’t matter how many times posters scream “tradition” and stomp their feet about “well they are good fit culturally”, it’s irrelevant.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:13 pm to Dallaswho
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s this where we bitch about Missouri not being in the Souph?
That’s not it at all.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:12 am to CBandits82
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That’s the difference.
Texas in the big 12 they probably didn’t really respect the small schools. Was just a game to them. Texas Tech, K State whatever.
SEC is a deep rooted tradition conference. We all respect State and Vandy. Sure there’s rivalries and some hatred with some but at the end of the day you know State is a cornerstone SEC program, regardless of wins or losses on the field.
Same with Vandy.
They would never be asked to leave or moved.
You can’t have an SEC without State or Vandy.
The Longwhorn mindset is an insidious cancer. It's always about me, not we. In their world they're Big Tex and it's their god given right to call the shots. They're the Harlem Globetrotters of the conference to which others play the Washington Generals.
You've already seen some of it, but eventually they'll completely reveal themselves and you'll rue the day you let them in. They'll start demanding preferential treatment. Demanding bigger slices of pies, etc. Aggie and Mizzou tried to warn you, but fear of them going to the B1G won out.
All that's left now is containment. Isolate and fight the disease that is Longwhorns.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 7:13 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:23 am to Mizz-SEC
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You've already seen some of it, but eventually they'll completely reveal themselves and you'll rue the day you let them in. They'll start demanding preferential treatment. Demanding bigger slices of pies, etc. Aggie and Mizzou tried to warn you, but fear of them going to the B1G won out.
All that's left now is containment. Isolate and fight the disease that is Longwhorns.
The shorthorns have been swimming in a much bigger pond for a season now. In the SEC, all we want to know is what your trophy case looks like.
That settles all disputes and the pecking order.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 8:22 am to JCdawg
Check Fsu and CU’s avg fb TV viewership vs. the SEC and vs. the ACC, then do the same for UNC and UVA.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 9:24 am to Buster83
ummm might want to check when the contract was signed and what the language was as far as adding new schools. but as usual you are a typical A&M douche bag that thinks he knows everything
let me let you in on a little secret....UT adds way way way more value than A&M ever has or will. You will see this during the next round of contract talks.
now go on being the A&M douche that you are.
let me let you in on a little secret....UT adds way way way more value than A&M ever has or will. You will see this during the next round of contract talks.
now go on being the A&M douche that you are.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:08 am to EV
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It's not about what the SEC wants, it's about what ESPN wants.
If they want to move properties over from the ACC, so they can pay the ACC significantly less, they'll do it to consolidate their product.
I think it's a combination of factors--who the SEC wants and who ESPN will pay for. If the answers to those questions aren't both "yes," then we're not doing anything.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:28 am to CBandits82
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You can’t have an SEC without State or Vandy.
Sounds fine to me.
But CFB is rapidly approaching the point where subtraction pays more than addition.
Some keep saying the B1G and SEC will merge. Well sure, maybe 4 from the B1G and 8 from the SEC. The days of the grandfather's trailer pulling up the rear are counting down.
Vandy, meet Rice. Rice, meet Vandy. Now run along.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 11:30 am
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