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re: Conference Expansion - VA Tech
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:19 am to Tiger Live2
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:19 am to Tiger Live2
Forgot about the Big East - 2 more to the Hall of Shame:
Kansas State
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Pittsburgh (!)
South Florida (they do have 1 Div II NC)
Virginia Tech
UVA and UNC seem like they would be the best additions (TV-wise and overall athletics-wise) if there must be another expansion. I don't have a favorite either way - just happy A&M got in.
Kansas State
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Pittsburgh (!)
South Florida (they do have 1 Div II NC)
Virginia Tech
UVA and UNC seem like they would be the best additions (TV-wise and overall athletics-wise) if there must be another expansion. I don't have a favorite either way - just happy A&M got in.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 3:32 am
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:27 am to Jobu93
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I was very impressed with them when we had a home/home with them.
Of course you are, they beat your @ss. That's not say much at the time. They won't get a bug name colach either. It's not that good of a recruiting base, and has a history of losing. Hell Appy State may have more wins over top 5 teams than they do
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:33 am to FarmersFight
Yea UVA and UNC is what I want. I don't like UNC at all, but they are the school to get in this round, like A&M was in the round. I would be fine with Duke and UNC, because that would possibly make the SEC the best basketball conference as well. We are already tops in football and baseball(UNC only adds)
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:42 am to Pain Don't Hurt
id rather have UVA and UNC, but id also rather have UNC and vatech over UNC and duke. besides, all roads point to UVA being B1G bound
Posted on 3/29/13 at 6:09 am to WestCoastAg
If it only was about TVs bring in Rutgers and Maryland and sorry Big Ten. Va Tech would be a good pick up as would Chapel Hill. Can't see UNC though.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:07 am to Pain Don't Hurt
As someone who comes into contact with these VT shitestains on a daily basis, I feel compelled to express how massively opposed I am to them joining the SEC. The most insufferable fan base out there, bar none. They are in no way a cultural fit.
All they are is a redneck, fair-weather fan base. Their fan base literally multiplied by 5x after Michael Vick played there, and most of them actually are UNC "fans" in basketball. Before that, they couldn't get attendance. When Frank Beamer leaves, they'll go back to sucking since they actually have no tangible or intangible advantage over UVA in recruiting other than Beamer. All their fans will go away then too.
The town sucks. It's in the middle of nowhere and really doesn't have any of the charm of existing SEC towns, imo. Their tradition consists of Sandstorm and eating fried turkey legs at games. Seriously, that's it.
End rant.
The best possible scenario would be to add UNC and UVA, but UVA won't have any of it.
All they are is a redneck, fair-weather fan base. Their fan base literally multiplied by 5x after Michael Vick played there, and most of them actually are UNC "fans" in basketball. Before that, they couldn't get attendance. When Frank Beamer leaves, they'll go back to sucking since they actually have no tangible or intangible advantage over UVA in recruiting other than Beamer. All their fans will go away then too.
The town sucks. It's in the middle of nowhere and really doesn't have any of the charm of existing SEC towns, imo. Their tradition consists of Sandstorm and eating fried turkey legs at games. Seriously, that's it.
End rant.
The best possible scenario would be to add UNC and UVA, but UVA won't have any of it.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:10 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
To the op,
There are vt fans all over dc. ESP nova. I don't know where you lived in the dc area but it must've been in a tiny box. I can think of three large vt bars off the top of my head in the dc area. The dc market is definitely in play for vt.
That said, I'd much rather have UVA and UNC. Either way I get to see my tigers in the commonwealth every once in awhile!!!
There are vt fans all over dc. ESP nova. I don't know where you lived in the dc area but it must've been in a tiny box. I can think of three large vt bars off the top of my head in the dc area. The dc market is definitely in play for vt.
That said, I'd much rather have UVA and UNC. Either way I get to see my tigers in the commonwealth every once in awhile!!!
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:18 am to Pain Don't Hurt
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I've seen a lot of talk here and other places about the possibility of VA Tech joining the SEC and how that would deliver the DC area tv market. But would VA Tech really deliver the DC market? For one thing, Blacksburg is 268 miles from DC. I lived in DC for a couple of years almost 10 years ago,
You must not have gotten out much. They are all over the place here. No doubt about it, they are easily the biggest college football fan base here. It's definitely a pro town when it comes to football, but to the extent that college football gets any attention here, it's focused on VT more than anyone.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:18 am to Nuts4LSU
VT would be a great addition. Joining the SEC may just be the game changer for their athletic department that allows them to dominate their region, increase their budget, and win some championships.
I've always thought of UVA as being the "wine and cheese" crowd, where you don't need to study hard, bust your arse, and make your own way because you have your trust fund.
VT is beer and BBQ (rather, moonshine and turkey legs). They are service and hard work, as opposed to wealth and privilege. This is why they fit our culture.
As an Aggie, I can easily relate to VT. Bring them in!
I've always thought of UVA as being the "wine and cheese" crowd, where you don't need to study hard, bust your arse, and make your own way because you have your trust fund.
VT is beer and BBQ (rather, moonshine and turkey legs). They are service and hard work, as opposed to wealth and privilege. This is why they fit our culture.
As an Aggie, I can easily relate to VT. Bring them in!
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:20 am to mwade91383
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There are vt fans all over dc. ESP nova.
This. I live in DC and VT is probably even more popular in the DC market than Maryland or UVA.
Btw, I was talking with a VT buddy of mine and he said that UVA and VT have some "pact" signed in state legislation that they must remain in the same conference... Not sure if he was talking out of his arse or not--has anyone heard of this?
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:34 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
It is a great school but I don't get all of the love for UVA. They don't give a frick about athletics.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:42 am to BloodSweat&Beers
I agree. Can imagine the UVA fans at Red Stick? Kyle? Or the Swamp? It would be pure gold.
Almost as much fun as when we offended Iowa State once by taking the FTAB. They were appalled that we played. In their stadium. It was their homecomming for cryin out loud! Lol
Almost as much fun as when we offended Iowa State once by taking the FTAB. They were appalled that we played. In their stadium. It was their homecomming for cryin out loud! Lol
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:47 am to engie
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Perfect.Cultural.Fit.
Wow, that's the most excited I've seen one fan base ever get over beating an unranked ACC team.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:48 am to BloodSweat&Beers
But they have the money that if they ever decided to give a crap about athletics, they could actually build SEC type facilities. I'm not sure that VT does. I think that is one reason VT didn't come along with aTm, and instead we had to take Mizzou. I think the PTB at VT didn't think they could compete in the arms race that is SEC football. But I think UVA could if they really wanted to. And maybe getting thrown in the shark tank of the SEC would be incentive enough for UVA to decide to try and compete in football.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 8:50 am
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:04 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
Yes, the pact was how they got VTech in the ACC. That said, it will be broken as it will be in the interest of both schools to do so. No one wants both VTech and UVA except maybe the B12 who is desperate.
VTech has value without question, they just are more of a nice add than a home run. UNC is a home run. UVA is a home run. They have a good but not elite football program and decent but not elite academics (probably most similar to Auburn academically). They would definitely bring new markets though it is unknown if they could carry DC as a full SEC Network town paying a premium rate for the service but honestly I don't know if anyone does. DC is a pro town with probably more people who live there that are not natives than any other major city. The rest of the AD sucks but that's fixable if they choose to fix it. It just takes money. In the early '00s A&M sucked at most minor sports but then we invested big and by the late '00s we were a Top 10 Director's Cup school.
You want schools that truly add to the conference in football, overall AD, academics (really AAU membership), and of course new markets.
UVA plus UNC is ideal but also the least likely. UVA doesn't want to go SEC and loves the Big 1G, isn't a cultural fit, and they don't care about football really so I just don't see it.
UNC plus VTech is a solid add as UNC is the prize and would make up for some of the warts on VTech. Combined they round out the conference nicely from a geographic perspective as well.
UNC plus Duke is a solid add but has a different set of issues. Duke will always be a small, elite private school that cares about basketball first. You just have to accept they are likely to trail Vandy in football and that you are doubling up on the State of North Carolina. The positives are you completely change the reputation of the SEC in basketball (as well as helping some other minor sports) and academically.
The only move that makes no sense is VTech/NC State. The SEC would be better served staying at 14 as those 2 schools simply don't bring enough to the table.
VTech has value without question, they just are more of a nice add than a home run. UNC is a home run. UVA is a home run. They have a good but not elite football program and decent but not elite academics (probably most similar to Auburn academically). They would definitely bring new markets though it is unknown if they could carry DC as a full SEC Network town paying a premium rate for the service but honestly I don't know if anyone does. DC is a pro town with probably more people who live there that are not natives than any other major city. The rest of the AD sucks but that's fixable if they choose to fix it. It just takes money. In the early '00s A&M sucked at most minor sports but then we invested big and by the late '00s we were a Top 10 Director's Cup school.
You want schools that truly add to the conference in football, overall AD, academics (really AAU membership), and of course new markets.
UVA plus UNC is ideal but also the least likely. UVA doesn't want to go SEC and loves the Big 1G, isn't a cultural fit, and they don't care about football really so I just don't see it.
UNC plus VTech is a solid add as UNC is the prize and would make up for some of the warts on VTech. Combined they round out the conference nicely from a geographic perspective as well.
UNC plus Duke is a solid add but has a different set of issues. Duke will always be a small, elite private school that cares about basketball first. You just have to accept they are likely to trail Vandy in football and that you are doubling up on the State of North Carolina. The positives are you completely change the reputation of the SEC in basketball (as well as helping some other minor sports) and academically.
The only move that makes no sense is VTech/NC State. The SEC would be better served staying at 14 as those 2 schools simply don't bring enough to the table.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:05 am to Bamatab
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I think that is one reason VT didn't come along with aTm, and instead we had to take Mizzou.
More like ESPN (that owns the ACC and SEC but only a part of the Big12) said "leave our other league alone and go poach those St. Louis TVs from Fox."
ESPN runs this shite.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:10 am to engie
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:23 am to aggressor
I agree 100% with everything you posted except:
Which school are you referring to?
VT, UNC and UVA should not be compared to Auburn academically--Im not trying to flame at all. The aforementioned schools are much much better academically than Auburn.
Also, UVA is most definitely an elite school academically. UNC is very close to UVA in terms of prestige. VT is along the same level as UGA--while its a very solid school many would not consider it "elite."
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They have a good but not elite football program and decent but not elite academics (probably most similar to Auburn academically).
Which school are you referring to?
VT, UNC and UVA should not be compared to Auburn academically--Im not trying to flame at all. The aforementioned schools are much much better academically than Auburn.
Also, UVA is most definitely an elite school academically. UNC is very close to UVA in terms of prestige. VT is along the same level as UGA--while its a very solid school many would not consider it "elite."
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:26 am to mwade91383
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There are vt fans all over dc. ESP nova. I don't know where you lived in the dc area but it must've been in a tiny box. I can think of three large vt bars off the top of my head in the dc area. The dc market is definitely in play for vt.
+1. I've lived in the DC area since 98 and VT has by far the most visible and vocal CFB fans in an area that is by nature widely divided in loyalties. Among the local teams, it's not even close. Maryland fans are awful and hardly even visible during football season, and most UVA folks don't give a damn about football or most sports in general.
I'd also like UVA (if they decided to compete) and UNC most, but I can't see UVA in the SEC. And if they did join, I don't think they would do what it takes to be competitive in football. I just don't think the will is there. I don't know if they're a good fit for the B1G, but not a good fit for the SEC IMO other than being the flagship school in a traditionally southern state.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:45 am to BossaGator
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I'd also like UVA (if they decided to compete) and UNC most, but I can't see UVA in the SEC. And if they did join, I don't think they would do what it takes to be competitive in football. I just don't think the will is there. I don't know if they're a good fit for the B1G, but not a good fit for the SEC IMO other than being the flagship school in a traditionally southern state.
I agree with this pretty much. The UVA alumni and students that I've talked to are whole-heartedly against joining the SEC. Their skeptical about the B1G, but would rather pursue that option if the ACC broke up. Academic concerns trump all at a place like UVA. They can make plenty of money in the B1G, and they have plenty of money anyway.
The UVA sports environment is much different than most SEC schools. Football on about the same level as basketball (in terms of stress, not revenue. Football still earns a lot more, like anywhere else). Non-revenue sports are also much more important (and successful) at UVA than most places. Lacrosse, soccer, baseball, track, tennis, etc. all have huge followings and are nationally competitive usually. Last year, for example, they scheduled a lacrosse game right after the football spring game. Something like 2000 showed up for football and 10,000 for lacrosse.
Virginia has the financial resources to compete in anything if they decide to, that includes football. The will just isn't there.
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