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Column:For all those teams who chose to leave the Big 12, has it really gotten any better?

Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:27 am
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
24445 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:27 am
quote:

Breakups are bad enough, but never so devastating as when it turns out your ex can get along just fine without you.

And if your new life is actually harder, well, maybe it’s time to rethink your position.

Given the circumstances and the season, then, let me be the first to extend an olive branch as well as an invitation:

Come on back, Texas A&M.

You, too, Nebraska.

We’ve got room for Missouri. We’ll even take back Colorado. And if I can’t get an amen on that, how about Arkansas?

In case you’re having a hard time keeping up, the schools listed above were once members of either the Big 12 or the old Southwest Conference. All left of their own volition. Most packed up because of grudges with Texas or felt the ground shifting under their feet. Maybe both. They were looking for stability and, God bless ’em, they found it.

But if all are better off financially — well, except for Colorado, mired in the Pac-12 muck — was it worth the price?

Because for the most part, they don’t win at football as much as they used to. And isn’t that the real bottom line in sports?

Consider the number of winning seasons each has experienced before and after their exits from the Big 12. Before it bolted for the Big Ten, Nebraska had 12 winning records in 15 Big 12 seasons. Since then? Only five in the last nine.

Missouri had 10 winning seasons in 16 years as a Big 12 member. Since then, it’s been four of eight in the SEC.

Colorado’s even worse off: one winning season in nine in the Pac-12 after six in 15 in the Big 12.

Arkansas bolted the SWC for the SEC 28 years ago because Frank Broyles was told the Razorbacks wouldn’t be included in any realignment that included Texas or A&M. The move saved the Hogs’ bacon. But as Broyles once told me, it’s never been the same since. Nearly three decades after joining the SEC, Arkansas has yet to develop a feud as blood-boiling as Texas. Of course, that’s the thing about leaving old rivalries. Anyone who was a senior at Arkansas when the Razorbacks left the SWC is still young enough to remember what it was like.

And it doesn’t help matters when you’re not as good at football as you were then. Arkansas competed for SWC titles. Even won it all in ’64. Since leaving the league of their youth, the Razorbacks have posted winning seasons half the time and only fleetingly competed for the top of the SEC West.

Which brings us to A&M. The Aggies are the only school among the expatriates with a better record in the SEC than the Big 12. They’ve produced a winning season every year as opposed to 10 in 16 Big 12 seasons.

But exactly how competitive have the Aggies been in the SEC West? This season’s fourth-place finish is the average. Only twice have they finished better. Came in third in Jimbo Fisher’s first season and second in 2012, A&M’s SEC debut.

You remember Johnny Manziel taking college football by the collar and shaking it silly. His win over Alabama remains one of A&M’s signature athletic moments.

If the Aggies had still been members of the Big 12 in 2012, they wouldn’t have had the chance to make history in Tuscaloosa. They also wouldn’t have had to play Florida in Johnny Football’s debut. Let me go out on a limb here. Considering that Manziel ran circles around Oklahoma in the 2013 Cotton Bowl, I’d say odds are good the Aggies would have gone undefeated in the Big 12 that season. And a 12-0 A&M — with a Heisman-apparent quarterback — would have at least been in the conversation for the BCS title game.

As it was, the 10-2 Aggies finished ninth in the 2012 regular-season BCS rankings, four spots back of 11-1 Kansas State.

Maybe it doesn’t bother Aggies that Johnny Football didn’t get an opportunity to play for everything. Maybe Jimbo can still deliver on the $60 million left in his deal. If nothing else, it might allow him to outlast Nick Saban. Even if he does, though, Dabo Swinney will be the next coach up at Alabama. And if not Dabo, then surely Kirby Smart.

The problem in the SEC is that it’s not just Alabama. Ed Orgeron may be only getting started at LSU. Gus Malzahn is always spoiling for something at Auburn.

What if Lane Kiffin finally grows up in Oxford?

Meanwhile, over here in the Big 12, they have some good teams. Coaches, too. If Jerry Jones doesn’t cherry-pick one, that is. Bob Bowlsby, the commissioner, says, top to bottom, this is the best the Big 12 has been in his tenure. Maybe so. Winning the conference title certainly got Oklahoma an invitation to the tournament, which is all the recommendation anyone needs.

Just the same, it seems safe to say it’s probably easier to win in this league than in the SEC or Big Ten. At least that’s what the records of the expats suggest.

So what do you say? Come back home! No one’s saying it wouldn’t be tough. First you’d have to swallow your pride, then get out of those pesky grant-of-rights deals.

The good news is, the Big Ten’s TV contract is up in 2023. The Pac-12’s expires in ’24. But, unless the lawyers get going, the SEC’s TV contract runs through 2034. That’s a long time beating your head against a wall.

Anyway, think about it. The Big 12 is far more stable these days. Practically boring. No, it doesn’t pay as much as the Big Ten or SEC, but it might be more fun. Oh, and DeLoss Dodds has retired, if that makes any difference.



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Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:29 am to
We are never ever ever getting back together.
No means no.
It was never about wins & losses.
It’s not us it’s you.


I think that covers it.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:30 am to
quote:

And if I can’t get an amen on that, how about Arkansas?


Arkansas should really consider it. They'd be much better off
Posted by cajunguy
In your house, LA
Member since Jan 2016
2471 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:32 am to
Dumb people say dumb ideas so I guess so whatever makes u happy.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
19683 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:34 am to
So reading that essentially says you can win more in the Big 12 because it isn't as good as the SEC or Big 10. Not a good look.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21302 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:35 am to
None of them should have left. Nebraska, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Mizzou have all seen their potential top end success drop and be all but eliminated. They will likely never win conference championships much less national championships again. Mizzou took advantage of a down east for 2 years but got shellacked both years by the West team. That's about as close as anyone will ever get.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
4471 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:36 am to
Please take your Gay cult and get the frick out Aggies. No one will miss you.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:37 am to
You forgot Colorado.
And none of us left so we could win National Championships.
We left for less toxic environments and better opportunities for our student athletes.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:40 am to
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21302 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:40 am to
quote:

You forgot Colorado.
And none of us left so we could win National Championships.
We left for less toxic environments and better opportunities for our student athletes.


Better opportunities to get their arse whipped regularly? You play to win man. Y'all should be in the Big 12. TAMU and Mizzou don't belong in this conference. Go home.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
19683 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Nebraska


Considering how dominant they were in the 90s, it is hard to fathom that they would get as bad as they are.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30165 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:41 am to
quote:

None of them should have left. Nebraska, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Mizzou have all seen their potential top end success drop and be all but eliminated. They will likely never win conference championships much less national championships again. Mizzou took advantage of a down east for 2 years but got shellacked both years by the West team. That's about as close as anyone will ever get.


The SEC is not sustainable for these guys, they'd be better served to just go back. The SEC can pick up another team and get it back down to a more manageable 12 team conference again.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6448 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Arkansas should really consider it. They'd be much better off


you may be pulling chains, I don't know, but I do believe it may actually be in their best interest to go west.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18658 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:43 am to
All I heard was our conference isn’t no where near as good as the SEC or Big 10
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:43 am to
quote:

Better opportunities to get their arse whipped regularly?

Better competition.
Better facilities.
Better futures.
quote:

Go home

We are home.
Speaking of ... would you grab me a beer when you get up?
Thanks!
Posted by SwampManiac
Quito, Ecuador
Member since Jul 2013
1758 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:44 am to
quote:

We are never ever ever getting back together.
No means no.
It was never about wins & losses.
It’s not us it’s you.
I think that covers it.

Great. Thank you. LSU enjoys beating you 9 out of 10 times
Posted by Stripes314
St. Louis
Member since Oct 2011
5033 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:44 am to
Would be the dumbest move in the history of Missouri Sports, and that is saying alot.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
4471 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:45 am to
You are better than Farmer1906 with his shirtless Myles Garrett pics.

But.....You still need to Go. You will be much happier back in the Big 12 with your real daddy Texas. A spoiled child paying 75 million for an average coach obviously needs to be back with his Daddy, and not his step father.

Its been fun.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:47 am to
I’ll take your advice under consideration,
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19229 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 11:47 am to

The sleeping giant in all this is Texas A&M

If they could ever get their shite together they have everything in place to lay waste to the West.
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