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Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
Bringing the heat
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:32 pm to America1776
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Besides his goofy clock management bull shite and refusal to change the offense, Miles kept the cupboard stocked and the program was in good shape at the time he left.
The hate he gets at LSU is insane.
Lol wut?
There were more fullbacks on the roster when Miles left than scholarship receivers.
The talent along both lines had noticeably decreased.
There was absolutely no quarterback development at all which is why both of LSU's last two starters have been transfers.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't see a substantial difference
You don't think Nick left things in better shape for Miles than Miles did for O?
Also, 2007 was the only 2-loss national champion in modern CFB (as the SECr likes to remind us), while 2019 was the greatest team in CFB history (15-0).
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I mean... can you realistically do much better??
Miles wasn't winning NCs in the 2010s. Orgeron did.
I'm failing to see your point...
Miles wasn't winning NCs in the 2010s. Orgeron did.
I'm failing to see your point...
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:34 pm to Mithridates6
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He deserves more hate for all the millions he made and LSU produced more draft picks than Bama during his tenure yet we usually weren't even a close second to them. He was dead weight and an awful coach. Even a decent coach could've had much more success. We're just now getting out of the shadow of his legacy of offensive suck enough to be able to recruit elite QBs
He wins the last game in 2011 and he’s an all time legend. He’s a national championship winning coach and his players loved him. I was glad when he left but lol at hating him for the “millions he made”
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
IMO O is SLIGHTLY ahead... LSU is an elite program and you'd have to be Mike Dubose level dumb to frick it up... O is a better recruiter IMO.. Miles seems to be a better defensive coach(see 2011).. O struck lightning in a bottle last year.. Perfect storm of events and fielded the best LSU team ever and, although it pains me to say this, arguably the GOAT team ever... So that alone puts him ahead of Miles.
I would have KILLED to have Miles during the Dubose/Shula years... If Shula can win 10 games, then Miles could have done just as well or even better than that snake Dennis Francione..
I would have KILLED to have Miles during the Dubose/Shula years... If Shula can win 10 games, then Miles could have done just as well or even better than that snake Dennis Francione..
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:36 pm to LSU Patrick
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You don't think Nick left things in better shape for Miles than Miles did for O?
Also, 2007 was the only 2-loss national champion in modern CFB (as the SECr likes to remind us), while 2019 was the greatest team in CFB history (15-0).
I personally think Coach O's work has been extremely impressive, much more so than what Miles did for exactly the reasons you noted. Miles inherited a Lamborghini and drove it reasonably well - he didn't run it into a ditch but he certainly didn't drive it at its max capacity. CEO took over a program that needed direction and focus, plus an influx of new ideas and talent in certain areas, and gave it all of them.
The stats posted, however, demand the same logic applied to them as the similar stats re: Richt and Kirby that have floated around this board for the last 12-18 months. Or, it has to be accepted that the logic used re: Kirby/Richt is idiotic.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:37 pm to TchPowDog
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Miles wasn't winning NCs in the 2010s
Well Miles' first 3 years were 2005, 2006 and 2007, so I'm not sure what the 2010s have to do with this.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah. I know where you were going. 
I still think that O is on a better trajectory than Miles was at this point. I can't say the same for Kirby in comparison to Richt. Just my opinion though.
I still think that O is on a better trajectory than Miles was at this point. I can't say the same for Kirby in comparison to Richt. Just my opinion though.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:39 pm to LSU Patrick
I'll give Miles a pass for 2005: practices disrupted by Katrina and no bye week, but 2006 we shat the bed in the two biggest games: mustering 3 pts at Auburn and 10 at Florida despite all that talent at WR and he stubbornly played veterans at RB instead of Charles Scott and Keiland Williams. 2007 team had a ton of injuries, but his stubbornness was on display again in the UK loss and the team looked like it was still sleepwalking against Arkansas. That's a huge difference between CEO and Miles, O always has the team ready to play against the Arkansas and OM type teams
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Saban at Alabama first three years
33-8 (20-4)
1 SEC Title
1 National Title
They’re clearly all the same coach.
33-8 (20-4)
1 SEC Title
1 National Title
They’re clearly all the same coach.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Miles played tougher competition
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:40 pm to LSU Patrick
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I still think that O is on a better trajectory than Miles was at this point
I think next we'll know a whole lot more in the next 2 years. I think that I agree with you, but mainly because I know where Miles went after 2008.
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I can't say the same for Kirby in comparison to Richt. Just my opinion though.
Don't disagree - at this point they seem very similar (Kirby clearly has recruited at a higher level and probably won slightly more, but not much).
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:41 pm to SammyTiger
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Saban at Alabama first three years
33-8 (20-4)
1 SEC Title
1 National Title
They’re clearly all the same coach.
I'm beginning to think these comparisons might not have uniform future outcomes!
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:41 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Lol wut? There were more fullbacks on the roster when Miles left than scholarship receivers. The talent along both lines had noticeably decreased. There was absolutely no quarterback development at all which is why both of LSU's last two starters have been transfers.
Take a gander at Arkansas after Petrino. Arkansas after Bielema. Florida State after Jimbo. Texas after Mack.
A lot of coaches that have checked out tend to leave their programs in enormous holes. Miles simply didn’t.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
In the thread that spawned this thread I told the truth also in this one
Peace u a clown mf boy feel sorry for u u dont win a title in 2 years haha cry baby azz
That's a long time for yall I get ur letting it out in these stupid gifs lol again sad u cant be happy with the dynasty Saban built
U gotta make up BS just because u finally lost to LSU :( and they won it all the worst for u prob
U the teabag man?
Peace u a clown mf boy feel sorry for u u dont win a title in 2 years haha cry baby azz
That's a long time for yall I get ur letting it out in these stupid gifs lol again sad u cant be happy with the dynasty Saban built
U gotta make up BS just because u finally lost to LSU :( and they won it all the worst for u prob
U the teabag man?
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:42 pm to forestwhitackersgood
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Miles seems to be a better defensive coach(see 2011)
Miles has never coached defense.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:43 pm to America1776
Our best QB was a Purdue transfer and we had like 8 scholarship OLinemen in 2017 bc of Miles' mismanagement. If you consistently put out one of the worst offenses in the league at LSU like Piles did, you're a shite coach, period.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:43 pm to America1776
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Take a gander at Arkansas after Petrino. Arkansas after Bielema. Florida State after Jimbo. Texas after Mack.
A lot of coaches that have checked out tend to leave their programs in enormous holes. Miles simply didn’t.
I'm not saying he left the program in a hole.
Just that it wasn't in great shape when O took over.
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