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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:49 am to Gatorsingreenville
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:49 am to Gatorsingreenville
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Lol funny coming from a shamecock Steve tanneyhill mullet much
Steve Taneyhill was a state champion football coach at multiple SC high schools and now owns one of the oldest and most popular bars in Columbia.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:50 am to SCLibertarian
How he keeps running Dj U out as QB1 is shocking.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:50 am to bamaphan13
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How he keeps running Dj U out as QB1 is shocking.
He's no Steve Spurrier, that's for sure...
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:53 am to SCLibertarian
I think it's more the fact of everyone and their brother realizing the issues and Dabo doing nothing about it...I'm not saying the sky is falling, but clearly I'm not alone in thinking/seeing/knowing that our offensive culture needs a complete overhaul.
this isn't new...been going on for 3-4 years. We just had Venables to cover for the offensive woes
this isn't new...been going on for 3-4 years. We just had Venables to cover for the offensive woes
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:54 am to bamaphan13
DJ has Kathleen's noods
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:01 am to Lonnie Utah
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Saw this posted on Taternet
This is all I saw. I'm embarrassed for you.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:02 am to Moses Baloney
quote:An Aggie calling somewhere else a "cow college?" That's rich I tell ya.
Can't get anyone to come to the cow college of South Cackalacky?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:03 am to Hogfan13
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I'm embarrassed for you.
Honestly, I'm embarrassed for me too. Seriously.
But felt like I had to give up the source location at the same time.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:08 am to Lonnie Utah
Dabo is turning into Jimbo. It's him against the world and he thinks the world isn't as smart as he is
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:21 am to Corso
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Dabo is turning into Jimbo.
Serious question. Who has more/less self awareness of the state of the world of CFB outside of their own program, Dabo or Jimbo? That is, of the two coaches, who's got more potential to change/adapt for the future?
I've got my ideas, but I'll let a few responses come in before I reply...
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:22 am to Lonnie Utah
At one time Dabo was the "Outsider" coming to Clemson. When he took over he brought outsiders like Kevin Steele and Brent Venables in to elevate the program. He also had no problem removing a QB that had an undefeated regular season the year before and was undefeated in his first 4 games before he was pulled for another QB.
I think the reason fans are frustrated with is Dabo is he's no longer doing the things he used to do that built the program into the national power it became.
It does appear he's bringing in "yes" people under the guise of "Clemson" culture. It was known he got into some serious shouting matches with Chad Morris and Venables during practices. Problem was the fans loved these coordinators and he could never fire them.
Culture is good be we definitely in outside new perspectives.
It's almost like Dabo has become Elvis and his staff is the Clemson Mafia
I think the reason fans are frustrated with is Dabo is he's no longer doing the things he used to do that built the program into the national power it became.
It does appear he's bringing in "yes" people under the guise of "Clemson" culture. It was known he got into some serious shouting matches with Chad Morris and Venables during practices. Problem was the fans loved these coordinators and he could never fire them.
Culture is good be we definitely in outside new perspectives.
It's almost like Dabo has become Elvis and his staff is the Clemson Mafia
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:26 am to CU_Tigers4life
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does appear he's bring in "yes" people under the guise of "Clemson" culture. It was known he got into some serious shouting matches with Chad Morris and Venables during practices. Problem was the fans loved these coordinators and he could never fire them.
And they were both marked upgrades over who he fired to get them.
Dabo has been a phenomenally successful CEO-coach specifically because of his willingness to hire coordinators who were very good at their jobs.
It doesn't look like he's doing that right now. If he's truly drinking his own kool-aid, and that he alone is responsible for Clemson's success, then he desperately needs outside counsel. He's not doing that.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:33 am to CU_Tigers4life
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It's almost like Dabo has become Elvis and his staff is the Clemson Mafia
Serious question.
So as a Clemson fan, what's the move? How do you reel in the most successful coach in your teams history? Or do you let him turn into a Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno (minus the Sandusky thing)?
If you follow Clemson football, you can't deny that a SIGNIFICANT portion of the fan base is VERY unhappy with Dabo (and the entire coaching staff) right now.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:43 am to Lonnie Utah
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Serious question.
So as a Clemson fan, what's the move? How do you reel in the most successful coach in your teams history? Or do you let him turn into a Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno (minus the Sandusky thing...)
Good question.
I can speak only for myself so I'll first say that no sensible fan is remotely suggesting Dabo should go.
I think he's enjoyed so much success with playing the "little old Clemson" card and pretty much been cock of the rock (couldn't resist) that's he's getting some pushback he hasn't experienced in a while and is struggling with this.
Dabo was built for the Pre-NIL and Transfer Era where schools had control of their players and paying for players was kept properly under the table so all colleges could be hypocrites.
His next move is to remove the OC and bring in someone that is a strong recruiter, play caller and developer. Jeff Scott's name keeps popping up but I'm not sure that's the best move. He also needs to embrace the Transfer Portal and NIL.
This 247Sports 2022 Transfer Portal Rankings are an eye opener:
247Sports Transfer Portal Rankings
Lastly, I don't understand what's got Dabo paralyzed from pulling DJU. DJU is maxed out as to how talented he is. It's worth losing games to get Cade Klubnick some live fire starts for next year.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:45 am to Pastor Mike
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Do you know him personally?
I hung out with him several times when I was at Bama, but haven’t been around him since then.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:45 am to CU_Tigers4life
After he won the second NC in 2018, Dabo spent the off-season at sporting events across the country, hob-knobbing with celebrities, and just being visible. I think his intentions were to promote the Clemson brand, but the unintended effect was to think he had "arrived", IMO. I believe he has lost the hungry underdog mentality that drove him to be the best.
In the past, he went far and wide to hire the best staff -all with proven records of success. Recently, his hires have little to no experience -most glaringly the two new coordinators. His mantra of "best is the standard" has turned into "guess is the standard" -hoping these greenhorns work out. It's like he's committed to a "friends and family" plan for the coaching staff, with little consideration for outside influence.
I think Dabo can rekindle that motivation to be the best; I just hope it doesn't require a lot of subpar performances to do it.
In the past, he went far and wide to hire the best staff -all with proven records of success. Recently, his hires have little to no experience -most glaringly the two new coordinators. His mantra of "best is the standard" has turned into "guess is the standard" -hoping these greenhorns work out. It's like he's committed to a "friends and family" plan for the coaching staff, with little consideration for outside influence.
I think Dabo can rekindle that motivation to be the best; I just hope it doesn't require a lot of subpar performances to do it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:09 am to bamaphan13
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How he keeps running Dj U out as QB1 is shocking.
He keeps DJU as QB1 because "Big Dave U" reminds him of the shady deals he used to recruit his son.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:19 am to arleen1013
quote:I think a couple of really good receivers out of the portal could have cured one of your major ills. Yeah DJ still has to throw it to them but great receivers can make a average QB look good.
I think it's more the fact of everyone and their brother realizing the issues and Dabo doing nothing about it...I'm not saying the sky is falling, but clearly I'm not alone in thinking/seeing/knowing that our offensive culture needs a complete overhaul.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:22 am to Lonnie Utah
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So as a Clemson fan, what's the move? How do you reel in the most successful coach in your teams history?
Not sure we can haha...that's why everyone's so frustrated. Especially if we keep winning 10 games a year (due to a soft schedule), wins a conference championship, makes a NY6 bowl game....how could we? It's going to take some embarrassing losses, because as everyone here points out, the Clemson fan base comes off as spoiled, whiny, whatever...when in fact the offense is absolutely terrible and Dabo's making $11.5M a year.
He elevated the program, often with his very annoying to outsiders BS one liners, so he elevated the expectations. We don't expect to win every game, but cottamit we expect to look like we have a competent game plan in the last game of the year.
He's got a long AF leash and we'll just have to endure it.
The event that caused the needle to move to go get Venables was West Virginia hanging 70 on us in the Orange Bowl. I'd go through that again to get another Venables caliber coordinator.
Losing to ND in the fashion we did, blowing the game to Sakerlina at home, and getting waxed by either Tenner or the Gumps in a bowl game (if we somehow get by Carolina) could theoretically do that.
tl;dr: we r fooked...y'all enjoy it
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:37 am to myflabbersghasted
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I think Dabo can rekindle that motivation to be the best; I just hope it doesn't require a lot of subpar performances to do it.
Ironically, as much as gamecock fans loved it at the time, one of the best things that ever happened to Clemson was the 70-33 Orange bowl loss. That forced Dabo to bring in Venables. And as they say, the rest was history. When Dabo lost his OC and DC last year, Gamecock fans KNEW the worm had turned. I "called it" last year.
Thank you, THANK YOU Lincoln Riley
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Leaves OU in the middle of the night.
Gets Brent Venables out of Clemson.
Puts Spencer Rattler in the portal, so he can land at the REAL USC.
Dabo needs to swallow his pride, and make a high quality OC hire from outside the program. And if you look at their Defensive stats for this year, one could argue that he needs to make a DC hire as well. Clemson is down in 2022 compared to 2021 in almost every metric
Note: TFL's and Sacks are national ranks and not numbers...
Now, 1 data point does not make a trend and correlation does not equal causation. But if I'm a Clemson fan, in light of everything else going on in the program, those numbers are a little concerning. Especially when you know that Venables' defense was the grease that made Clemson go for many years (that and catching two generational college QB's back to back.)
And none of this mentions Dabo's buyout which is somewhere around $60 million. Can Clemson afford to get rid of him if things turned bad??
TL,DR version, Clemson football is at a cross roads and their coach needs to do some soul searching.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 11:45 am
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