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re: Clemson removing racist Calhoun and Tillman names from college
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:03 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:03 pm to Jjdoc
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Do we apply that line of thinking to anything else? Let's say those who advocated for abortion when history reaches the conclusion that it was even worse than slavery?
Women have a choice when it comes to that, slaves had no choice, they were born into it, in fact many free Blacks up North were kidnapped and sold into Slavery despite the fact that they were free Americans
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Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:04 pm to HarryBalzack
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What they really ought to do is move the university off of John Calhoun's plantation. How can they expect to have social justice when they're sitting in the man's fields?
This is what I said in my original post and it was downvoted to hell. But you're exactly right. If the name is too offensive to be on your Honors College, it's too offensive for your campus to be on his plantation. But renaming a building doesn't affect the bottom line. This has nothing to do with actual convinctions.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:20 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Your comparison is flawed
This would equal Slave Owner.
This would equal the baby aborted. They had no choice.
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Women have a choice when it comes to that,
This would equal Slave Owner.
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slaves had no choice, they were born into it,
This would equal the baby aborted. They had no choice.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:23 pm to RogerTempleton
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Anyone who advocated for slavery is a POS and should not be honored. Period.
How about the Apostle Paul?
Ephesians 6:5, NIV: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
Have we figured out the danger in dealing in absolutes yet?
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:53 pm to SCLibertarian
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It's actually kind of simple for someone who places facts over feelings and emotions
I say something very similar to this every time I get into a debate with folks who let emotions take over their personal beliefs, particularly their political ones. However, when you say it a huge red flag is raised. I’m reminded of a post you made a couple weeks ago on that wasteland of all boards, the political board. In that post you suggested that one of your primary motivations to vote was simply to disgust your fellow Americans who don’t agree with your politics. I remember thinking what a clown you must be to not realize that your true essence and the way you try to present yourself are in complete and clear contradiction. But whatever, you do you.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 6:11 pm to thatthang
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remember thinking what a clown you must be to not realize that your true essence and the way you try to present yourself are in complete and clear contradiction. But whatever, you do you.
The alternative to who I'm voting for are the people engaged in this cancel culture madness. If you want to ally yourself with cultural fascists whose goal is to remake how we view ourselves and those before us through bullying and blackmail, be my guest. But hey, you do you.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 6:33 pm to SCLibertarian
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The alternative to who I'm voting for are the people engaged in this cancel culture madness. If you want to ally yourself with cultural fascists whose goal is to remake how we view ourselves and those before us through bullying and blackmail, be my guest. But hey, you do you.
But here’s the thing: I absolutely detest the lunacy around progressive cancel culture and those who let their emotions obscure facts. You implying that I ally myself with that side is yet another display of your emotions overriding a rational discussion of the facts. I consider your view that I must choose between one set of emotion-based world views or the other as a false dilemma. In short, we seem to agree on the toxicity coming from the modern left. Where we diverge, it would seem, is your apparent wholesale adoption of the emotions on the other side, which I consider just the other side of a shitty coin.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 6:38 pm to ClemsonRules
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First- As a Clemson fan, I’m glad those names were (or soon will be) removed from Clemson University.
Second- You SEC Rant purists always grouse about Clemson fans invading your site, yet you start threads about Clemson happenings with regularity as if our school is part of the SEC. Shouldn’t this thread be moved to the More Sports forum? Asking for a friend.
#ClemsonLivesMatter
Posted on 6/12/20 at 6:42 pm to thatthang
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Where we diverge, it would seem, is your apparent wholesale adoption of the emotions on the other side, which I consider just the other side of a shitty coin.
I worked on the Ron Paul campaign in both 2008 and 2012. I saw what the media did to Dr. Paul because of his iconoclastic positions regarding foreign policy and domestic surveillance. From that moment on, the illusions of American greatness were laid bare to me. Dr. Paul was too nice of a man to treat the American political establishment and the mainstream media the way he should have: with utter contempt.
Donald Trump is a lot of things I don't like. He's abrasive, loud, rude and can be a demagogue. But he doesn't pull any punches with our media and he has been the man solely responsible for bringing the word Deep State into American politics, though it existed for years in leftist circles, primarily Alex Cockburn and Glenn Greenwald. That is why he has my vote. Because, for all of his faults, he is the only person with balls enough to look some of these cretins in the face and tell them what he thinks.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:20 pm to SCLibertarian
I appreciate the context but just to be clear, any kind of defense of who or why you’re voting a certain way is not necessary with me. People vote the way they do for a variety of reasons. I was just pointing out that the primary political debate engulfing most of the dialogue today is between two sets of highly emotional people who are uncomfortable with the very notion of following facts wherever they may lead us. I dismiss wholeheartedly that it’s emotion on one side, and cool facts on the other. Rational discourse is gone, I know you agree with that. And I had a (small sample size) of you being a little more motivated by emotion than you sometimes let on. Anyway, there are some other points in your post that would be fun to debate but I think we’ve sufficiently politicized this board. Maybe I’ll see you on the dark side!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:24 pm to SCLibertarian
I will second that. I never liked Trump until he ran for office and started calling out the media and the left for things that all the other conservatives were scared to say.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:34 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:42 pm to Priapus
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The Clemson Board of Trustees had all the authority in the world to rename Tillman Hall today. They didn't. Shame on their racist souls.
Refusing to participate in the radical authoritarian practice of altering and erasing history doesn’t make someone a racist
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:35 am to SammyTiger
But what does racism mean? According to that poster it's a made up word. That's what we are really trying to solve here. What does racism mean? It means you defend lynch mob advocates.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:23 am to SCLibertarian
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SCLibertarian
Cowardly horseshite. The damn school sits on Calhoun's old Fort Hill Estate. Tell Watson and Hopkins to put their money where their virtue-signaling mouths are and pay to move the whole damn campus if Calhoun is that offensive.
What a hill to die on.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:19 am to InGAButLoveBama
It's the one that enslaved people, bombed Tulsa, lynched people, and prayed with the congregation before killing 9 members.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:04 am to scionofadrunk
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What a hill to die on.
If you think it stops with Calhoun you're a fool. In 25 or 30 years, when America looks like Cocteau's dystopia from Demolition Man, you can blame yourself and the rest of the virtue signalers on here for giving in to the demands of the cancel culture crowd, whose aim is to destroy the foundations of western civilization.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 6:08 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:52 am to PJinAtl
This is a pathetic response to a real problem in America!
Posted on 6/13/20 at 7:19 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Well if this continues to happen then Byrd from West Virginia needs his name expunged. Storm Thurman needs to go. George Wallace is next. Woodrow Wilson’s name needs to be taken down from Princeton University. The problem with all this is holding the actions and beliefs of past individuals to modern thinking, virtues, and morals. I can guarantee all these people who want anyone ever associated with racism removed from existence will have grand children and great grand children who don’t think very highly of how they lived their lives.
Look at how we look back at our own parents and grand parents and their actions. Almost everyone used to smoke. Water made you weak while participating in athletic endeavors. We think that was pretty stupid now. They drove without seatbelts. Women smoking and drinking while pregnant. Drunk driving was the norm. Women couldn’t vote. Almost all were homophobic and that includes Martin Luther King. Holding people of the past to modern thinking is just stupid .
Look at how we look back at our own parents and grand parents and their actions. Almost everyone used to smoke. Water made you weak while participating in athletic endeavors. We think that was pretty stupid now. They drove without seatbelts. Women smoking and drinking while pregnant. Drunk driving was the norm. Women couldn’t vote. Almost all were homophobic and that includes Martin Luther King. Holding people of the past to modern thinking is just stupid .
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:53 am to InGAButLoveBama
So the kkk killed white men by hangings also link ?
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