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re: Clemson / LSU home and home announced
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:20 pm to jj06
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:20 pm to jj06
i wouldn't be surrpised if a lot of football fans around the country don't know either one has the Death Vallye nickname.
i never refer to Clemson as Death Valley though. i'm not a big fan of death. lol
i never refer to Clemson as Death Valley though. i'm not a big fan of death. lol
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 4:23 pm
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:26 pm to Tillman
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The reality is Tenn has struggled in recent years which was my point. You were talking about past national titles won by Tenn as evidence the SEC schedule is tougher this year.
No, I am saying when the Vols were down they went 3-0 against the ACC when the ACC had the better team that season.
Since you are a Tater and a bit slow...
If a worse team from another conferences beats you 3-0 when they are worse than your conference, your conference sucks.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:31 pm to Cheese Grits
i don't those wins proves that. Va Tech was a solid win but that was a new QB's first game and that coach's first game at Va Tech.
GA Tech had one of the worst fumbles late in the game that cost them the game that they controlled.
GA Tech had one of the worst fumbles late in the game that cost them the game that they controlled.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:33 pm to Tillman
Excuses, man you are worse than a texas fan whining about Colt.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:36 pm to Cheese Grits
i don't need excuses when you are trying to say SEC schedule is automatically tougher than ACC schedule by adding up past national titles.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:37 pm to IStillMissDanny
Not a bad decision by Clemson.
Clemson has a really good football team that competes in a mediocre conference. One loss and they might be out without some help. And the ACC is just good enough to hang one loss on them a year.
How do you get around that? Well you play USC every year so play one more SEC team along with them.
You've got two P5 teams on your schedule so you can schedule the St. Mary's School for the blind twice and you will have two or so games a year in conference that are like playing G5 teams.
Clemson has a really good football team that competes in a mediocre conference. One loss and they might be out without some help. And the ACC is just good enough to hang one loss on them a year.
How do you get around that? Well you play USC every year so play one more SEC team along with them.
You've got two P5 teams on your schedule so you can schedule the St. Mary's School for the blind twice and you will have two or so games a year in conference that are like playing G5 teams.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:38 pm to Arksulli
I don't think beating SC does much for CLemson most years.
you say it is a mediocre conference but it is 24-20 against SEC past 4 years and it has 2 of the recent title winners.
UNC and Miami both probably make the playoffs if they beat Clemson in the ACC title game in recent years.
Right now, the ACC has an edge in the state rivalries with SEC teams. UGA and G Tech is only one that is lopsided in the SEC's team favor.
UNC and NC State are pretty similar to the two Miss colleges in SEC.
you say it is a mediocre conference but it is 24-20 against SEC past 4 years and it has 2 of the recent title winners.
UNC and Miami both probably make the playoffs if they beat Clemson in the ACC title game in recent years.
Right now, the ACC has an edge in the state rivalries with SEC teams. UGA and G Tech is only one that is lopsided in the SEC's team favor.
UNC and NC State are pretty similar to the two Miss colleges in SEC.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:45 pm to Tillman
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I think it has to do with size of the stadium, loud crowd, etc.
Clemson ranked 14th in attendance last year... that's behind 7 SEC schools and only 2,000 people more per game than 8th in the SEC, South Carolina. That's not impressing anyone.
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I've looked at LSU's record over the years, it doesn't look that stellar to me.
Really? LSU has defeated FIVE opponents that finished in the AP Top 10 just since 2010.... As discussed earlier, Clemson has 2 such wins at home in their entire history:
LSU defeated #10 Alabama (2010)... #5 Arkansas (2011)... #8 South Carolina (2012)... #2 Auburn (2013)... and #10 Auburn (2017).
Clemson's only two such wins ever were against #6 Georgia (1981) and #10 Auburn (2017).
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your premise seems to be that if higher ranked teams came to Clemson in those years, Clemson would have lost. Good chance Clemson would have won 75 percent or more of those games though.
Clemson has won less than 75% of its home games in the polling era against ALL opponents.... why do you think your winning percentage against ranked opponents would fair better?
Look, as I said earlier, save the 1980s and the recent Dabo era, Clemson has for the most part been irrelevant. Here is their national ranking in AP Points by Decade:
1940s: #56
1950s: #43
1960s: NR (No AP Points; 48 teams did that decade)
1970s: #32
1980s: #10
1990s: #34
2000s: #39
2010s: #4 (so far)
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:53 pm to BHMKyle
Clemson is smaller than every SEC school but Vandy and maybe Miss State so pointing out CLemson is 14th in attendance is actually making my point.
If you want to try to argue Clemson's stadium isn't loud during games, be my guest. I've seen Clemson 2nd on a list for loudest decibel level ever recorded in a stadium, 1 spot ahead of LSU.
I've already pointed out Clemson was a small military college until 1955. It doesn't make much sense to judge Clemson's program when it was a completely different kind of college.
Even though Clemson didn't win an ACC title in the BOwden era, Clemson was def. relevant. Winning Clemson's division generally requires a team to beat Clemson.
I remember when BC won our division in 2007 or so....Matt Ryan had to make an incredible throw down the field to beat Clemson at Clemson late in the game. If Clemson had defended that play, it plays in the confernece title game that year.
in my view if your team is a legit contender to play for a P5 conference title, it is relevant.
If you want to try to argue Clemson's stadium isn't loud during games, be my guest. I've seen Clemson 2nd on a list for loudest decibel level ever recorded in a stadium, 1 spot ahead of LSU.
I've already pointed out Clemson was a small military college until 1955. It doesn't make much sense to judge Clemson's program when it was a completely different kind of college.
Even though Clemson didn't win an ACC title in the BOwden era, Clemson was def. relevant. Winning Clemson's division generally requires a team to beat Clemson.
I remember when BC won our division in 2007 or so....Matt Ryan had to make an incredible throw down the field to beat Clemson at Clemson late in the game. If Clemson had defended that play, it plays in the confernece title game that year.
in my view if your team is a legit contender to play for a P5 conference title, it is relevant.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:10 pm to Tillman
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Clemson is smaller than every SEC school but Vandy and maybe Miss State so pointing out CLemson is 14th in attendance is actually making my point.
What is your point exactly?
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If you want to try to argue Clemson's stadium isn't loud during games, be my guest.
Nope, don't care.
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I've already pointed out Clemson was a small military college until 1955. It doesn't make much sense to judge Clemson's program when it was a completely different kind of college.
This entire discussion is rooted in how ridiculous it is for Clemson to call their stadium "Death Valley". If Clemson was a "small military college" that shouldn't be judged on its lack of football success because it was so different in the 1950s then why the hell did you all start calling it "Death Valley" that very same decade? If you are going to be calling it Death Valley in the 1950s, then you should be judged on your performance..... and Clemson did not beat a single team that finished in the Top 25 until the 1980s. Again, its ridiculous.
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Even though Clemson didn't win an ACC title in the BOwden era, Clemson was def. relevant.
Clemson's final AP Rank during the Bowden era:
1999: NR
2000: #16
2001: NR
2002: NR
2003: #22
2004: NR
2005: #25
2006: NR
2007: #21
During these 9 seasons, Clemson managed 20 AP Poll Points. To put that into perspective, let's compare that to a current team during the most recent 9 seasons. That's one fewer point that Northwestern has accumulated in the most recent 9 seasons (2008-2017).
If you think Northwestern has been relevant the past decade, then sure, Clemson was "relevant" during the Bowden era. But to all us normals, we know the truth.
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I remember when BC won our division in 2007 or so....Matt Ryan had to make an incredible throw down the field to beat Clemson at Clemson late in the game.
You're reminiscing about how when times were "good" when you were losing your division to Boston College. You are not helping yourself out. AT ALL.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:16 pm to BHMKyle
lol
you seem obsessed with Clemson.
Death Valley was coined by a visiting coach after his team got blown out. any team has the right to use the death valley nickname.
you haven't made a case that it is an easy place for the road team to win.
obviously Clemson will lose more at home if it doesn't have as much talent. that's about talent, not the stadium. lol
Clemson has rarely been at the bottom of its conference and rountinely makes bowl games so relative to most programs it doesn't make sense to say it was irrelevant outside of the 80s and Dabo. lol It had some undefeated and 1 loss seasons under our good ole boy coach Frank Howard for example.
you seem obsessed with Clemson.
Death Valley was coined by a visiting coach after his team got blown out. any team has the right to use the death valley nickname.
you haven't made a case that it is an easy place for the road team to win.
obviously Clemson will lose more at home if it doesn't have as much talent. that's about talent, not the stadium. lol
Clemson has rarely been at the bottom of its conference and rountinely makes bowl games so relative to most programs it doesn't make sense to say it was irrelevant outside of the 80s and Dabo. lol It had some undefeated and 1 loss seasons under our good ole boy coach Frank Howard for example.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:41 pm to IStillMissDanny
Awesome for me I live in Athens GA so that is a short drive. If they can somehow make sure LSU plays Georgia in Athens. even better
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:57 pm to ipodking
Just thought the LSU fans would enjoy this.
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[/img]Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:23 pm to IStillMissDanny
Things Clemson has stolen:
LSU Band's "Tiger Rag"
LSU's Tiger Rag
Clemson's Tiger Rag
Auburn's Mascot
Mississippi State's Entire University
LSU Band's "Tiger Rag"
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Tiger Rag is LSU's pregame song which was first introduced in 1926. LSU is the first school to use the melody.
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Tiger Rag – "The Song That Shakes the Southland" – is Clemson University's familiar fight song since 1942
LSU's Tiger Rag
Clemson's Tiger Rag
Auburn's Mascot
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Clemson's athletic teams have been nicknamed the Tigers since 1896, when coach (and later university president) Walter Merritt Riggs brought the name from his alma mater, Auburn University.
Mississippi State's Entire University
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In his will, Clemson explicitly stated that he wanted the school to be modeled after what is now Mississippi State University: "This institution, I desire, to be under the control and management of a board of trustees, a part of whom are hereinafter appointed, and to be modeled after the Agricultural College of Mississippi as far as practicable."
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:25 pm to Cheese Grits
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I would say having the premier football trophy named after your former coach
He coached at Clemson, you know.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:30 pm to IStillMissDanny
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He coached at Clemson, you know.
Where he lost to South Carolina doncha know.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:31 pm to LordLouisiana
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Things Clemson has stolen:
FSU's graveyard.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:39 pm to Cheese Grits
You are one terrible poster. Are any of your arguments based on anything more recent than 1950?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:40 pm to Jack Daniel
Wow..cudos to much aligned alleva
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:43 pm to IStillMissDanny
Yes, clearly you missed the discussion with Tillman
Even when the Vols have sucked lately they are still 3-0 against the ACC when the ACC team had the better record that year (Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and NC State). That was pretty recent.
I may be a terrible poster, I may not, but one thing is certain.
I am not an ACC fan looking for validation on an SEC sports board.
Even when the Vols have sucked lately they are still 3-0 against the ACC when the ACC team had the better record that year (Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and NC State). That was pretty recent.
I may be a terrible poster, I may not, but one thing is certain.
I am not an ACC fan looking for validation on an SEC sports board.
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