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Posted on 6/13/18 at 12:49 pm to BHMKyle
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12. Florida- 550
13. Penn State- 549
14. Tennessee- 514
15. Auburn- 489
16. Georgia- 458
Just to show how valuable a National Title can be...
Had Georgia beat Alabama, we'd have 509 points... which would be ahead of Auburn and we'd likely be just a season away from passing Tennessee.
Likewise, had Auburn pulled out the win in 2013 against Florida State, they'd have 540 points... which would put them ahead of Tennessee and possibly just a season or two away from also passing both Penn State and Florida.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 12:51 pm to LSU Patrick
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Someone in that other thread actually claimed that Clemson is a Blue Blood.
Far from it. Even if Clemson wins a National Title next season, they'll still likely be stuck at #16. They've caught up quite a bit the past 5 years, but they still have a very long way to go.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:23 pm to BHMKyle
A 2nd place finish is much closer to 25th than 1st in your system? Try another system.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:28 pm to djsdawg
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A 2nd place finish is much closer to 25th than 1st in your system? Try another system.
Guess what? Both that 2nd place team and the team that finished #25 both sit without a National Championship Trophy.
In this system, a team that finishes #2 gets 24x more points than a team that finishes #25... so there is a definite reward for finishing high in the polls.
But the reason we all play the game is to get the trophy. Those National Championship Trophies are infinitely more valuable than a #2 finish and a pat on the back. Any system that DOESN'T reward extra points to National Champions is not a good system.
EDIT: And furthermore, if anything I've undervalued a National Championship. Put it this way, which scenario would you rather pick for your program over a 4-year period:
SCENARIO #1: National Championship + 3 finishes at #26, just outside the Top 25
SCENARIO #2: Three #2 finishes + plus one #22 finish
Scenario #2 actually would get you more points.... but I think most fans would pick Scenario #1... especially if it had been decades since their team had won a Title.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:48 pm to BHMKyle
Guess what? The 2nd place team is a heck of a lot better than the 25th, and a solid ranking system would account for that. It’s okay, I am sure your 2nd try will be improved over this one.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:51 pm to BHMKyle
DJ kind of lives in his own little world when it comes to value, honestly. Dude prefers regular season wins to actually participating in tournaments.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:54 pm to BHMKyle
Are you looking at pre AP poll?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:56 pm to BHMKyle
This is an excellent system. I like the degradation of points for old work.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 2:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Dude prefers regular season wins to actually participating in tournaments.
This doesn’t even begin to make sense. Surely no one is dumb enough to fall for this kind of bs.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 2:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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DJ kind of lives in his own little world when it comes to value, honestly. Dude prefers regular season wins to actually participating in tournaments.
Figured he'd get triggered by this.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 2:50 pm to djsdawg
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Guess what? The 2nd place team is a heck of a lot better than the 25th, and a solid ranking system would account for that.
It does. Georgia gets 24 points for finishing #2 last season... Memphis gets 1 point for finishing #25 last year. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:02 pm to BHMKyle
You didn't make now count enough. Laugh at Clemson all you want, a win against them now is a program building type thing. Beating Nebraska, Michigan, Texas? Yawn.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:05 pm to BHMKyle
1—> 24 —> 75
23 spots between 2nd and 25th.
51 spots between 2nd and 1st.
Tell me where I went wrong in understanding the flaws of your system.
23 spots between 2nd and 25th.
51 spots between 2nd and 1st.
Tell me where I went wrong in understanding the flaws of your system.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:06 pm to BHMKyle
I am a Clemson homer but we are far from elite......now in 10 years if Dabo can keep up what he has done the last 5 then maybe they can be in the top 10.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:13 pm to BHTiger
Appreciate you humility Clemson fan, but now is really the only thing that matters, or at least in one's lifetime. What good does it do a 30 year old ND fan to hear about Knute Rockne?
30 year old Bammer's may worship the Bahr because of their fathers, but Saban and this run means far more to them than stories of Bear Bryant's football expertise.
Playing in historic stadiums like Notre Dame is nice, but the only reason that win means anything to me is the fact that ND ended up being pretty good. Right now, much rather go watch the Tigers pet the rock and play the Dawgs than play Meatchicken, Nebraska, Texas, etc.
30 year old Bammer's may worship the Bahr because of their fathers, but Saban and this run means far more to them than stories of Bear Bryant's football expertise.
Playing in historic stadiums like Notre Dame is nice, but the only reason that win means anything to me is the fact that ND ended up being pretty good. Right now, much rather go watch the Tigers pet the rock and play the Dawgs than play Meatchicken, Nebraska, Texas, etc.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:29 pm to djsdawg
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23 spots between 2nd and 25th.
And both without a trophy.
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51 spots between 2nd and 1st.
And 1st has a National Title Trophy in the case, while 2nd does not.
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Tell me where I went wrong
You are wrong if you think there is a minuscule difference between finishing #2 and #1. Were you not dejected after Georgia lost to Alabama? Surely the difference between #1 and #2 is exponentially different than the gap between finishing #2 and #3.... any sane fan of the sport would agree.
If you are rewarding #1 with only 25 points and rewarding #2 with 24 points, you're saying a National Championship Trophy has a value only 4.2% (25 points vs. 24 points) greater than finishing 2nd place.
That's insane.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:43 pm to BHMKyle
I have no problem with 1st having a clear separation from 2nd, but you went way to far with it. 2nd is much closer in ranking and quality to 1st than 25th, which is a sensible observation, and a solid point System would have that built into it. Yours doesn’t, which it’s glaring flaw.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:46 pm to koreandawg
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now is really the only thing that matters, or at least in one's lifetime
There are a few problems with this:
First off, "one's lifetime" can be vastly different. There are some 30-year-old Nebraska fans who probably don't remember their Championships in 1994, 1995, or even 1997.... let alone the ones in the '70s before they were born.
But there are plenty of 80-year-old Nebraska fans who treasure those Championships just as much as a sidewalk Bama fan of one year treasures his 2017 Title (or more).
So there has to be balance. This is why I think a sliding scale, rewarding more recent Championships a bit more than earlier ones is a fair idea.
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What good does it do a 30 year old ND fan to hear about Knute Rockne?
Plenty.
1) It establishes a tradition that can't be taken away
2) The benefits are quantifiable in countless ways. It's why Notre Dame gets their home games broadcast nationally on NBC while Miami doesn't... which means $$$
3) It shows the program has been stellar in the past, which means typically it has what it takes to be stellar in the future
4) It creates a sense of pride whether those Championships were experienced in person or before one was born.
Since 1989, Oregon ranks #16 in AP Poll Points.... Notre Dame comes in at #17. Neither have a National Title during the time period.
Ask any major fan of college football whether they'd prefer to have Notre Dame's heritage or Oregon's and the answer will be Notre Dames probably 99% of the time.... despite the fact Oregon has accomplished slightly more during the past 29 seasons.
Now, is Texas A&M's 1939 National Title worth as much as Alabama's 2017 title? Absolutely not. But ask Mississippi State, Kentucky, or South Carolina fans if they wish that had an AP Title, even if were from the 1930s, and most true fans would pay money for it.
So it is worth something.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 3:47 pm to djsdawg
You're just mad because Georgia isn't higher.
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