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Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:50 pm to Korin
quote:Gus has two sec division titles to Kirbys 1
He's won a NY6 bowl and is 2-1 HTH.
Gus has 2 top 10 finished to Kibys 1
If he simply feels Kirby is a better coach, thats fine. But if this list is supposed to be based on actual results so far, it makes zero sense to have kirby in a tier above Gus
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:52 pm to lsupride87
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Orgeron?
Nah ... he commented on Coach O.
See original post.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:52 pm to scrooster
quote:Actually, he has Special Ed in the same tier as your beloved coach
He basically said in the interview he has no ranking low enough for Ed-O
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:54 pm to lsupride87
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it makes zero sense to have kirby in a tier above Gus
Except I just showed you otherwise.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
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Actually, he has Special Ed in the same tier as your beloved coach
He added that after the interview because Finebaum baited him on it ... he said he might. And he should have. They laughed at the "no tier too low for Ed-O" comment Finebaum made but he should have been listed from the get-go. It was a bad oversight.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:09 pm to 1BamaRTR
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aban and Meyer should be by themselves
Not a knock but what is your age?
If you didn't live through and witness exactly what Spurrier did at Florida it's hard to understand exactly what the genius he is. Urban just rode the wave on in of what the OBC did there.
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OBC did things Saban didnt/couldnt do. He changed the way the game was played for offense and defense. Like I said not a knock but if you wasn't following ball then you just don't have a clue.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:28 pm to scrooster
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Elites
The Bear Bryant Tier: First-ballot Hall of Famers
Saban
Will these two names be flipped after Saban wins his next NC? And what would be the name of the next tier after that happens?
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:31 pm to kbrake37
You’re trying to devalue Meyer’s accomplishments, but he still has way more NCs than any other current coach not named Saban. So therefore he’s in the tier with Saban and no one else.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:33 pm to cardboardboxer
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Winning two national titles at Bama or tOSU is less impressive than winning a single national title at Clemson.
Gonna have to disagree. Their instate rival is in a different conference and not traditionally a football power. Their recruiting grounds over the general region are approximately as rich as Bama's. And OSU's, really, because NC (highly underrated source of solid recruits) and GA on their borders beats out anything OSU has on their borders, so the difference in in-state talent is mitigated. They have one (maybe two if you count VT) real football power in their conference, with others rising and falling periodically instead of maintaining consistent excellence. And Clemson has always put a lot of emphasis on football, even in their lean years and bad coaches. Hell, until FSU and Miami joined the ACC, Clemson was basically the ACC's football equivalent to Kentucky and basketball in the SEC, albeit without the same level of success. Clemson, like TAMU and Oregon/UCLA, has always been a sort of sleeping giant because of their potential.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:37 pm to randomways
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Clemson, like TAMU and Oregon/UCLA, has always been a sort of sleeping giant because of their potential.
Being an A&M fan I have a unique perspective probably, but I think its harder to wake one of these "sleeping giants" than people admit.
College football is a caste system for the most part, which keeps the same teams on top. For a sleeping giant to break through requires a lot of things to go right, that is why outside of Clemson we have one seen one other sleeping giant wake up (UF) the last 40 years.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:40 pm to kbrake37
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Not a knock but what is your age?
If you didn't live through and witness exactly what Spurrier did at Florida it's hard to understand exactly what the genius he is. Urban just rode the wave on in of what the OBC did there.
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OBC did things Saban didnt/couldnt do. He changed the way the game was played for offense and defense. Like I said not a knock but if you wasn't following ball then you just don't have a clue.
Offense, yes. Defense, no. He fielded incredible athletes on defense, but he wasn't overly interested in it. If you're talking opponent defenses, well, that's really just regular correlation. Take a Saban defense and see how opponents shift their offenses to actually be able to move the ball. You can give him credit for both, but it's really just one being an inevitable result of the other.
Spurrier's tier is sort of murky. He was the scariest coach in CFB for several years, but he only went all the way once (and got royally humiliated on another try.) In my opinion, he's sort of hovering between Tier 1 and Tier 2, not so much because of what did or didn't accomplish as because Saban and Urban have separated themselves with such clear demarcation that it's hard to put anyone else in their tier.
Luckily, SOS no longer coaches, so we don't have to make that tough decision.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:43 pm to cardboardboxer
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Being an A&M fan I have a unique perspective probably, but I think its harder to wake one of these "sleeping giants" than people admit.
College football is a caste system for the most part, which keeps the same teams on top. For a sleeping giant to break through requires a lot of things to go right, that is why outside of Clemson we have one seen one other sleeping giant wake up (UF) the last 40 years.
Which is true. I don't disagree. But I could point out that, by the standards laid out here, Bama was a 'sleeping giant' after Stallings and probation. It took a generational, or even all-time, coach to wake them. So if we apply this logic to teams like Clemson and TAMU, it's only reasonable to apply it to the clear-cut woken giants.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:54 pm to randomways
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Offense, yes. Defense, no. He fielded incredible athletes on defense, but he wasn't overly interested in it. If you're talking opponent defenses, well, that's really just regular correlation. Take a Saban defense and see how opponents shift their offenses to actually be able to move the ball. You can give him credit for both, but it's really just one being an inevitable result of the other.
Spurrier's tier is sort of murky. He was the scariest coach in CFB for several years, but he only went all the way once (and got royally humiliated on another try.) In my opinion, he's sort of hovering between Tier 1 and Tier 2, not so much because of what did or didn't accomplish as because Saban and Urban have separated themselves with such clear demarcation that it's hard to put anyone else in their tier.
Luckily, SOS no longer coaches, so we don't have to make that tough decision.
He was a lazy recruiter too (and it usually showed against Bowden). The Fiesta Bowl made him care about defense and he went out and hired Bob Stoops.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:57 pm to randomways
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Bama was a 'sleeping giant' after Stallings and probation.
No offense, but I don't agree.
Bama has a national title in 1992, that is on another planet from where Clemson was four years ago or where A&M is today.
Plus Bama is one of those brands that needs a fifty year gap to take it down a peg. I wouldn't call Notre Dame a sleeping giant for the same reason, it is a program that anyone anywhere thinks could POSSIBLY win a national title.
Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 4:58 pm to WestCoastAg
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He basically said in the interview he has no ranking low enough for Ed-O
And, yet, Orgeron is 2-0 against Texas A&M.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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No offense, but I don't agree.
Bama has a national title in 1992, that is on another planet from where Clemson was four years ago or where A&M is today.
Plus Bama is one of those brands that needs a fifty year gap to take it down a peg. I wouldn't call Notre Dame a sleeping giant for the same reason, it is a program that anyone anywhere thinks could POSSIBLY win a national title.
Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program
I am offended, so I guess we're meeting behind Sonic. Just a warning, I'm a master of that Israeli martial art thing. The krav magneb? The crab mabed? Whatever it's called, I'm a 98.6 degree black belt.
My point is, there are always reasons why a particular program rises or falls, but the factors for a program becoming top-tier are pretty consistent. Yes, Bama and ND have history, but so do Army and Minnesota. There will always be reasons why a given program falls, never to rise again. Bama's return to the top was in no way inevitable. They could just as easily be mired in Tennessee-like mediocrity still. ND's recent renaissance (such as it is) also had to depend on pieces falling into place because one of the major reasons for their historical success was also one of the major (and generally irreversible) reasons for their decline, i.e. their national appeal was no longer unique to them in modern college athletics and communications.) There will always be blue-bloods that can't hack it any longer (see UTk_) and sleeping giants that can. Relying too heavily on history and tradition to define the tiers leads to Nebraska.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:08 pm to Sid E Walker
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Will these two names be flipped after Saban wins his next NC? And what would be the name of the next tier after that happens?
No need to flip, just call it Saban/Bryant Tier.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:38 pm to randomways
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Urban, yes. Clear-cut second place can still be on the same tier. Dabo, absolutely not. He needs at least 10 more years and another NC or two before we can begin that conversation.
If only these two coaches were able to play against one another so we could tell who might be better... Oh yeah, Urban was shellacked twice by Dabo recently.
Urban is a great coach, but what Dabo has done at little ol Clemson is the most remarkable coaching job of program building outside of Saban in the past 15 years. And his style is pretty unique in the big time college coaching landscape.
In my mind, Saban is in his own tier for now, but Dabo is every bit as good as any other coach out there when it comes to running a program and motivating young men.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:49 pm to scrooster
Weird, no Moorhead.
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