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Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:56 pm to CivilTiger83
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:56 pm to CivilTiger83
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If only these two coaches were able to play against one another so we could tell who might be better... Oh yeah, Urban was shellacked twice by Dabo recently.
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If only these two coaches were able to play against one another so we could tell who might be better... Oh yeah, Urban was shellacked twice by Dabo recently.
Urban is a great coach, but what Dabo has done at little ol Clemson is the most remarkable coaching job of program building outside of Saban in the past 15 years. And his style is pretty unique in the big time college coaching landscape.
Except that Urban went undefeated one year at Utah. Clemson is a second rate football school traditionally, but Utah was a fricking mid major when Myer coached them. I like Dabo(much better than Myer), and one day we may agree that he(Dabo) is the second best coach in the country, but for now that goes to Myer and his 2 rings at UF, and one at tOSU. 3>1.
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Posted on 5/7/18 at 7:10 pm to viceman
I agree that Fisher and Dabo belong on the second tier. And if Fisher cannot wake A&M from sleeping giant status, it just isn't going to happen short of another Meyer or Saban coming along.
Kirby and Riley show promise, but should rate an incomplete at this point in time. Neither has a championship, and took over at some very powerful institutions in the CFB "caste" system.
Gus probably doesn't rate as high as he should because he's so weird, and not really respected by his peers. But he is a good coach
Kirby and Riley show promise, but should rate an incomplete at this point in time. Neither has a championship, and took over at some very powerful institutions in the CFB "caste" system.
Gus probably doesn't rate as high as he should because he's so weird, and not really respected by his peers. But he is a good coach
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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Programs like A&M or Clemson in 2013 have people who deny its even possible to win a national title. That makes it hard to convince recruits it can happen and to sign with you over some other program.
I remember when Deshaun Watson committed to Clemson. People close to the program were saying he was the kind of player that would bring another championship to Clemson. I have to admit, I didn't take it seriously. Clemson had been out of that tier of serious contenders for so long it felt like they just didn't belong in those types of conversations.
A program like A&M is going to have to get a guy like Dabo that just won't take the way it's always been as the way it has to be. That dude has changed everything at Clemson.
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:58 pm to scrooster
Kirby- One successful year and they place him ahead of Gus and Mullen. Man, when is he going to be judged for the two SECW loses? One he got blown out and the other he choked away the game. Talk about hype.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 6:55 am to scrooster
Dabo above Boom!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
WTF Is the ACC on CBS' payroll? Must be with this bullshite ranking.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
WTF Is the ACC on CBS' payroll? Must be with this bullshite ranking.
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 7:13 am to CivilTiger83
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Oh yeah, Urban was shellacked twice by Dabo recently.
40-34 isn't being shellacked. I'll give you the second one. That was an arse kicking.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 7:15 am to ColoradoAg
Honest question. How can Texas A&M be a sleeping giant when they've never, in their history, been a giant of college football?
ETA: Three top 5 AP Poll finishes all time.
Compared to
Top-5 Finishes in AP Poll
30 .. Oklahoma
25 .. Ohio State
23 .. Notre Dame
23 .. Alabama
20 .. Texas
18 .. USC
17 .. Florida State
15 .. Michigan
14 .. Penn State
13 .. Nebraska
13 .. Tennessee
If there are any sleeping giants of college football they should come from that list. I see five that could qualify there.
ETA: Three top 5 AP Poll finishes all time.
Compared to
Top-5 Finishes in AP Poll
30 .. Oklahoma
25 .. Ohio State
23 .. Notre Dame
23 .. Alabama
20 .. Texas
18 .. USC
17 .. Florida State
15 .. Michigan
14 .. Penn State
13 .. Nebraska
13 .. Tennessee
If there are any sleeping giants of college football they should come from that list. I see five that could qualify there.
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 7:30 am to AceDilcock
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Dabo above Boom!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
WTF Is the ACC on CBS' payroll? Must be with this bull shite ranking.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:18 am to CivilTiger83
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CivilTiger83
Dont listen to that guy, he doesn't get out of South Carolina much... if not at all.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:25 am to elit4ce05
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Both Urbs and Dabo have beaten Saban and are top tier IMO
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Not This....
UCF also beat auburn. That does not put them on their level.
Correct, but in fairness they also won a National Championship, with Urban Meyer winning more than one and at different schools, no less. I am of the mind you put Saban in a tier all his own, then put Dabo and Meyer in Tier @ and then go from there, but I also don't have a HUGE problem with the way he has it, either. I could also go along with Saban and Meyer in the top tier, with Dabo in Tier #2 by himself, then slot the rest the way he has it.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:30 am to Irons Puppet
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Kirby- One successful year and they place him ahead of Gus and Mullen. Man, when is he going to be judged for the two SECW loses? One he got blown out and the other he choked away the game. Talk about hype.
Eating you alive, isn't it? Gus averages 5 losses a year, and in his one breakout, decent year, he got two phenominal plays that saved him from a 4 loss season, and you still think he is "all that".
I have to ask. What exactly does Gus have to do to make you turn on him and admit he is a minimum 4 loss a year coach?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:32 am to lsupride87
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Gus has two sec division titles to Kirbys 1
Gus has 2 top 10 finished to Kibys 1
Gus has 5 years in the SEC compared to Kirby's 2.
Gus averages 5 losses a year outside of 2013.
If you want to base it on results alone you have to consider the two freakish plays that Kept Gus from having 4 losses in 2013 and making him a 5 loss a year coach every year.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:14 am to DawgsLife
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Eating you alive, isn't it? Gus averages 5 losses a year, and in his one breakout, decent year, he got two phenominal plays that saved him from a 4 loss season, and you still think he is "all that". I have to ask. What exactly does Gus have to do to make you turn on him and admit he is a minimum 4 loss a year coach?
No, just amazed at the hype. I always thought Kirby was a by product of Saban's success and rode his curtail to a major job, similar to McElwain. I always thought that Bama's secondary was their weak link over the years even with some of the talent they had there. I saw what Gus and Freeze's HS Offenses did to those Ds and felt that Kirby was very vulnerable to a decent QB. It carried over to last year. I guess they are basing it on last years recruiting class.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:24 am to DawgsLife
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Eating you alive, isn't it? Gus averages 5 losses a year, and in his one breakout, decent year, he got two phenominal plays that saved him from a 4 loss season, and you still think he is "all that".
Gus hasn't lost to Vandy, UT, etc. all in the same year like Kirby did in 2016. And that includes a Jeremy Johnson led year. Swap Auburn and thUGA's schedule last year, and you'd be singing quite a different tune about your beloved Kirby.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:34 am to kbrake37
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OBC did things Saban didnt/couldnt do. He changed the way the game was played for offense and defense. Like I said not a knock but if you wasn't following ball then you just don't have a clue.
The SEC that Saban came into at Alabama was light years ahead in strength than what Spurrier came into at Florida. Florida had three programs in all of the SEC that he had to actually contend with (Alabama [until Stallings retired], Tennessee, and Auburn). He got shellacked by DuBose of all people.
Saban has caused people to rewrite their offensive playbooks multiple times. Spurrier was eventually figured out and didn't manage another SEC title after 1996 except 2000, the weakest the SEC has been in the past 20 years.
The rules have been changed multiple times for Saban to try and level the playing field. Saban >>> OBC.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:07 am to skrayper
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The SEC that Saban came into at Alabama was light years ahead in strength than what Spurrier came into at Florida. Florida had three programs in all of the SEC that he had to actually contend with (Alabama [until Stallings retired], Tennessee, and Auburn). He got shellacked by DuBose of all people.
Saban has caused people to rewrite their offensive playbooks multiple times. Spurrier was eventually figured out and didn't manage another SEC title after 1996 except 2000, the weakest the SEC has been in the past 20 years.
The rules have been changed multiple times for Saban to try and level the playing field. Saban >>> OBC.
Saban had UF under Myers, LSU under Miles and AU at different times. He has watched UT implode, and Les refuse to change. Saban Achilles heel has be playing against decent QBs. In his ten years at Bama, there have only been a handful of those QBs: Tebow, Cam, Manziel, Murray, Marshall and Stidham. Most of which have beaten him. At least Spurrier faced some decent Defenses.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:10 am to scrooster
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The LaVell Edwards Tier: Getting it done outside the Power Five
None
Joe Moorhead had success at FCS Fordham. He inherited a 1-10 team and went 38-13, including making the FCS playoffs in years 2-4.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:21 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Dont listen to that guy, he doesn't get out of South Carolina much... if not at all.
Y'all have your very own Tillman.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:25 am to MedDawg
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Getting it done outside the Power Five
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Joe Moorhead had success
Sooooo he's not currently getting it done is what you're saying?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:26 am to IStillMissDanny
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Y'all have your very own Tillman.
I think Tillman is a Gamecock fan and Ace is a tiger.
Just to play on the "stereotypes"
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