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re: Can someone explain to me how Bama got a 1st down at the 5 yd line
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:24 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:24 pm to UpToPar
quote:it is identically stupid to assume that if LSU does not get the unsportsmanlike penalty that you score a td. on the play that it happened, we just stuffed you for zero gain despite the line pushing. we have the best run defense in the sec, we could very easly have stuffed you 2 more times to force a field goal anyway. my assertion is exactly the same as yours. the end of that drive was actually worse for bama because we came away with zero points. you got a field goal on the one in question
I'm not talking about the merits of the call. I've already said I haven't even seen the play. I only pointed out how stupid your assumption was that if the pi call is made or if there is not pi there then bama wins the game
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:25 pm to Othello
quote:And there were several plays in which Bama players shoved LSU players well after the whistle. I didn't see those called either.....
I love how LSU fans aren't go anywhere near that one.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:27 pm to narddogg81
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my assertion is exactly the same as yours.
Where did I ever say that the unsportsmanlike penalty decided the game? I'll wait for the link.........
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:28 pm to ForeverLSU02
quote:i like how the lsu fans are pretending that the alexander shove was in anyway similar to what anyone else did in that game. his shove was way more forceful than any shoving anybody else did the whole game, and right in front of the ref after the play was dead. that gets called 100% of the time in any game with any ref crew in any league
And there were several plays in which Bama players shoved LSU players well after the whistle. I didn't see those called either.....
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The point is both teams got questionable calls against them in huge spots. LSU fans have decided to totally ignore all the ones that favored them, act like they don't exist and then talk about it as if they got screwed on all calls and Alabama got screwed on none.
Well yeah, but so what? It's the way it always will be. And it's all good.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:30 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:irony
if you tell yourself a lie enough I guess you believe it
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:40 pm to UpToPar
quote:m bad, i put words in your mouth on that one. not surprising, since there are about 20 threads to that effect on the rant and that is the general LSU consensus
Where did I ever say that the unsportsmanlike penalty decided the game?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:42 pm to narddogg81
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m bad, i put words in your mouth on that one. not surprising, since there are about 20 threads to that effect on the rant and that is the general LSU consensus
There are many LSU fans that thing that we score a TD if the unsportsmanlike penalty isn't called. I have watched enough Les Miles football to know better. I think we would have run the ball three times straight up the middle and kicked the field goal.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:43 pm to UpToPar
Very good view of the last play Certainly some checking but both players looking back they are not going to call that
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:45 pm to Old Sarge
The better question is.. how did the refs miss both of the two potential procedural penalties on that trick play? As explained the yardage and down marker was applied correctly for what was called.
What isn't explainable is how they missed the procedural penalty (especially considering Alabama isn't a HUNH team and the refs had plenty of time)
What isn't explainable is how they missed the procedural penalty (especially considering Alabama isn't a HUNH team and the refs had plenty of time)
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:47 pm to StopRobot
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Very good view of the last play Certainly some checking but both players looking back they are not going to call that
It was pretty cut and dry actually. Equivalent, likely worse, than the no-call PI in the endzone against White. Your DB had the WRs arm with BOTH of his hands because he got smoked off the line and was wide open for 6.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:48 pm to bmy
quote:what 2 procedural penalties are you talking about? ive not been to the fetid swamp that is the tiger rant, so im not up on what the latest groupthink talking points/example or poor understanding of the rules is.
The better question is.. how did the refs miss both of the two potential procedural penalties on that trick play? As explained the yardage and down marker was applied correctly for what was called.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:48 pm to bmy
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Equivalent (and likely worse) to the no-call PI in the endzone against White
Except for your guy had his arms free when the ball arrived and up in the air.
White didn't ever get a chance to get his 2nd hand free.
And finally, there was a MASSIVE hold by your LT on Dickson that wasn't called either. So at MOST you should have gotten a draw on the play and a redo.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Except for your guy had his arms free when the ball arrived and up in the air.
White didn't ever get a chance to get his 2nd hand free.
And finally, there was a MASSIVE hold by your LT on Dickson that wasn't called either. So at MOST you should have gotten a draw on the play and a redo.
Your DB saved a TD by grabbing the WR. The play was basically over (which is why he grabbed him) because the WR smoked him. Ritter is gonna Ritter and his crew didn't call it. I agree, LT was holding. They haven't called but 5-6 holds in this series in the last 4 years though. Replay 4th down, at worst.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:53 pm to arrakis
The ball on the LSU punt crossed the goal line.
That's what I said.
His left foot was on top of the goal line, in the air, and his right hand was past his feet.
Anyone looking at a view from 8-10 yards deep in the endzone, trying to judge if the ball crossed the goal line os crazy.
That's what I said.
His left foot was on top of the goal line, in the air, and his right hand was past his feet.
Anyone looking at a view from 8-10 yards deep in the endzone, trying to judge if the ball crossed the goal line os crazy.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:53 pm to bmy
quote:your wr not only didnt smoke the db, he was not able to get enough separation from pushing off to prevent the ball from hitting the DB in the facemask. should have been offensive PI, since jones was in better position to catch the ball than dupre
Your DB saved a TD by grabbing the WR. The play was basically over (which is why he grabbed him) because the WR smoked him
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:54 pm to bmy
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Your DB saved a TD by grabbing the WR. The play was basically over (which is why he grabbed him) because the WR smoked him. Refs were being refs and didn't call it.
I didn't see that at all. I saw hand checking and then Jones look back for the ball and Dupree have both arms outreached for the ball at the end.
I also saw White get held as the ball was coming down while your DB was not turned and looking at the QB. No flag.
So, yea. The refs sucked and they let the game be physical. Your DB's roughed up our WR's and ours roughed up yours. Just the way they let the game be played rightly or wrongly.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
5 in the backfield for the person asking. Not to mention that (unless I'm mistaken) (5) Henry has to become set prior to the play, which he didn't. Can't see it in the gif though.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:10 pm to bmy
Here is an article on the play
Alabama Trick Play - Brandon Greene
DeAndrew White is on the line. His front foot is inbetween the 25 and 26 yard line, the same spot Cam's front foot is. Refs generally give you half a yard or so as long as you point down and let them know you are on (basica principle taught in 7th grade football). So, the only guys in the backfield are Henry, Cooper, Sims and Fowler.
Henry, Cooper, Fowler are all lined with their front foot behind the 26. Sims is in the gun.
Cam, White and the OL all have their front feet between the 25 and 26.
Alabama Trick Play - Brandon Greene
DeAndrew White is on the line. His front foot is inbetween the 25 and 26 yard line, the same spot Cam's front foot is. Refs generally give you half a yard or so as long as you point down and let them know you are on (basica principle taught in 7th grade football). So, the only guys in the backfield are Henry, Cooper, Sims and Fowler.
Henry, Cooper, Fowler are all lined with their front foot behind the 26. Sims is in the gun.
Cam, White and the OL all have their front feet between the 25 and 26.
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At the snap, an offense has to have seven offensive players on the line of scrimmage. Out of those seven, only the two closest to the sidelines are eligible to catch a pass. The five players in between them are not. Look at the bottom of Alabama's formation. You see two players on the line of scrimmage. By rule, the one closest to the out-of-bounds line is eligible, while the other is not. The one who isn't is No. 74, Cam Robinson, Alabama's starting left tackle. Although he looks like he's split out wide as a receiver, he's "covered" by the wide receiver below him, and therefore ineligible to catch a pass. Going up the formation, we see RB Jalston Fowler, who's a few steps back from the line of scrimmage (and therefore eligible), and then the five "offensive linemen" on the line of scrimmage. The one on top who looks like a left tackle is not "covered" -- both receivers to his left are standing off the line of scrimmage -- and therefore is actually an eligible receiver as a tight end. This is called a tackle-eligible play. The tackle in question is Brandon Greene, and he's going to win Bama the game.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Whoever wrote that article needs to read the rule book....
This not true. The requirements are 5 linemen with numbers between 50-79 and no more than 4 in the backfield. The "7 on the line" went away a few years ago.
See Rule 7-1-4
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At the snap, an offense has to have seven offensive players on the line of scrimmage.
This not true. The requirements are 5 linemen with numbers between 50-79 and no more than 4 in the backfield. The "7 on the line" went away a few years ago.
See Rule 7-1-4
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