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re: Cam 2010 or Vince 2005, who ya got?

Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:09 pm to
Posted by horn23t
houston,tx
Member since Jul 2009
76 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:09 pm to
vince was coached by greg davis
newton by malzhan

thats a huge difference
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52757 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:12 pm to
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Right now I'd take Cam over Vince, Cam on 3rd downs is better than Vince and equal to or better in most other categories.



No. Vince was money on third downs passing and running. Vince was undoubtedly a better passer, which is why his running stats aren't as good as Cam's.
Posted by nwaLSUfan
Member since Jul 2010
639 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:17 pm to
rangers you sir are an idiot, vince did it for multiple years and won a NC. Cam has done neither...USC had 2 heisman trophy winners and had won 9 of their 12 games by 17 points or more. Cam is good but to say he is better than VY right no is retarded. Cam has played 12 D1 games so far...VY won a BCS bowl MVP and a NC MVP and should have won the heisman. Cam might win the heisman and MIGHT win the NC
Posted by johnnydrama
Possibly Trashy
Member since Feb 2010
8710 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:17 pm to
Vince 2005 all day! He carried that team on his back against a loaded USC team. He WILLED them to an MNC! Cam is a beast, but until he hoists a crystal football, this discussion shouldn't even begin.
This post was edited on 11/26/10 at 11:18 pm
Posted by nwaLSUfan
Member since Jul 2010
639 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:20 pm to
all i gotta say is

College career statistics
Year Passing Rushing
Comp Att Yards TDs Int Att Yds Avg TD
2003 84 143 1,155 6 7 135 998 7.4 11
2004 148 250 1,849 12 11 167 1,079 6.5 14
2005 212 325 3,036 26 10 155 1,050 6.8 12
Totals 444 718 6,040 44 28 457 3,127 6.8 37

[edit] List of accomplishments and records
Vince Young was the first player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. The only other player was Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan University. No other player has even reached the 2,500/1,000 mark in a season.
He had a win/loss record as a starter of 30-2, ranking him #1 of all UT quarterbacks by number of wins. His .938 winning percentage as a starting quarterback ranks sixth best in NCAA Division I football history.
Vince's career passing completion percentage is the second best in UT history at 61.8%, behind his successor, Colt McCoy.
He passed for 44 touchdowns (No. 4 in UT history) while rushing for 3,127 yards (No. 1 on UT's all-time quarterback rushing list/No. 5 on UT's all-time list) and 37 touchdowns (No. 4 on UT's all-time rushing touchdowns list/T-No. 1 among quarterbacks).
Young's 9,167 yards of total offense is the second best total in school history, also behind McCoy.
Young rushed and threw for over 100 yards in the same game five times in his career, a UT school record.
Young is the only UT player to accumulate 400 or more yards of total offense in a single game more than one time. Chris Simms, Major Applewhite and Colt McCoy accomplished it once each, while Young accomplished the feat four times.
Vince set a UT record for total offensive yards in a game, with 506 yards against Oklahoma State on October 29, 2005.
He is the only quarterback in UT history to rush for 100 yards in three or more games during a season and he did so in each of his 3 seasons at UT.
Young set the UT single-game pass completion percentage record against Oklahoma State in 2004 by completing 18 of 21 passes (85.7%). He broke his own record by completing 25 of 29 passes (86.2%) against Colorado in 2005. His record was later broken my McCoy.
Young set the UT single-game record for rushing yards by a quarterback with 192 versus Michigan in the Rose Bowl. He broke his own record in 2005 by rushing for 267 yards against Oklahoma State.
Young owns five of the top seven single-game quarterback rushing performances in UT history: 267 yards vs Oklahoma State as a Junior; 200 yards vs USC as a Junior; 192 yards vs. Michigan as a Sophomore; 163 yards vs. Nebraska as a Freshman; 158 yards at Texas Tech as a Sophomore.
Young has six of the top 8 longest runs by a quarterback in UT history.
Young became the first player in UT history to pass and rush for 1,000 or more yards in the same season.
Young became the first quarterback in UT history to have three 100-yard rushing games (vs. Oklahoma, at Baylor, vs. Nebraska) in the same season and is tied with Ricky Williams (1995) for the third-most 100-yard games by a freshman in school history.
Young's 17 wins and 43 touchdowns accounted for in 2003-2004 were the most ever by a UT quarterback in their first two years. However, Colt McCoy surpassed both of these, accounting for 57 touchdowns and 20 wins in 2006-2007.
Young is a two-time winner of the Rose Bowl MVP award, joining Ron Dayne, Bob Schloredt, and Charles White as the only two-time winners. He is the only two-time winner of the Rose Bowl MVP award who did not play for a school in either the Pac-10 Conference or the Big Ten Conference, which are the two conferences that traditionally send teams to the Rose Bowl game.
In the Rose Bowl on January 4, 2006, the BCS National Championship, he completed 30 of 40 passes for 267 yards and carried the ball 19 times for 200 yards and 3 rushing touchdowns. Those 200 rushing yards set a Bowl game rushing record by a QB. He was named Rose Bowl MVP for the second time in his career. UT beat USC by the score of 41 to 38 and Vince Young ran in the winning touchdown. In this game, UT ended USC's 34-game win streak. Young's 467 total yards set a new Rose Bowl record.
Posted by comebackkid2408
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
343 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:31 pm to
VINCE YOUNG 2005.
Posted by TheChiznit
Sugar Hill, GA
Member since Feb 2010
2174 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:39 pm to
suck em horns
Posted by Klongdawg
Member since Oct 2010
8293 posts
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:58 pm to
Cam no doubt. Better arm with better accuracy. Stronger runner also. Will deliver the blow and get the extra 2 to 3 yards by going head first.
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 12:25 am to
quote:

Young led Division 1-A in passing efficiency his junior year.

quote:

In addition to being a better runner.





VY is NOT a better runner than Cam Newton. Look what Cam has done in the SEC in his first year.
Posted by alu
Decatur AL
Member since Jul 2009
728 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 12:36 am to
vince.

First off he was a great player who was extremely driven and motivated by nothing but winning, and he still is, which is why he is causing so much trouble recently.

If there was a game i coached, and shite hit the fan, id want vince.

Secondly, Cam Newton never played football in 2010
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 12:40 am to
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Secondly, Cam Newton never played football in 2010


You Bammers are pathetic, you idolize a player who put his hands on his girlfriend but hate a player who was allegedly paid.

Grow the frick up.
Posted by smuphy72
Bham
Member since Nov 2009
3447 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 12:46 am to
If Au wins the National Championship I'll say Cam.

Texas had much more talent on the team that year than AU does this year.

Posted by alu
Decatur AL
Member since Jul 2009
728 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 1:02 am to
It already past halloween and you still plan to dress up as a scare crow?
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51501 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 1:06 am to
Vince Young
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
3856 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 2:31 am to
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Young led Division 1-A in passing efficiency his junior year.


He was actually 3rd with a passer rating of 163.9. He was behind Rudy Carpenter and Brian Brohm and one point ahead of Troy Smith. His first year as a starter (2004) he ranked 52nd, behind about 20 other dual threat QBs. Important to factor that in since this is Cam's first year as a starter.

Cam is currently 2nd - possibly 1st when today's results get factored in - with a rating around 188. Not positive, but I don't think an NCAA QB has ever finished with a passer rating that high.

Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 2:49 am to
Realize that Cam basically played every snap of every game outside of a half against an FCS team.

Vince didn't play tons of 4th quarters that year and still threw for more yards.
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 2:51 am to
quote:

Realize that Cam basically played every snap of every game outside of a half against an FCS team.

Vince didn't play tons of 4th quarters that year and still threw for more yards.


Realize Cam played in the SEC and not against all of those shitty arse Big 12 defenses. *I realize Auburn's pass defense is horrendous this year.
Posted by Tacoma57
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2009
740 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 2:54 am to
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quote: Young led Division 1-A in passing efficiency his junior year. He was actually 3rd with a passer rating of 163.9.


As the kids say, "Get worked, bitch."
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 2:55 am to
You're an idiot. 2005 Vince, and it's not even close.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33925 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 3:02 am to
Vince threw for nearly 300 yards to beat the Buckeyes at the Horseshoe. He also threw for 267 against USC. Cam's never put up that kind of prodigious passing output.
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