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re: Brian Kelly's record vs. talented teams
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:33 am to wadewilson
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:33 am to wadewilson
quote:We can’t make fun of the guy?
No, I meant there should be nothing for you to worry about with Brian Kelly at LSU
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:34 am to wadewilson
What an amazing comeback. Do you dazzle everyone with your wit?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:37 am to LSUminati
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This is not hard, stop overthinking it. LSU has been a top 10 program the last 17 years with coaches who at best could be described as mediocre
I don't know if we'll ever truly know how good or bad a coach Les Miles was. He definitely could recruit, and he won the national championship once and SEC title twice. How many more titles does he win (SEC and National) if Alabama doesn't hire Nick Saban?
Without Saban at Alabama, it's not crazy to think that Miles goes down as one of the best in LSU's history. At least two national championships, wins the SEC West at least two more times (2009 and 2012 - though probably not the SEC considering how good 2009 Florida and 2012 Georgia were), plus no longer recruiting against Saban probably gets a few more kids to LSU. I could see 2015 going much better then as well. He'd also have a string of 5 straight 10-win seasons, and if the right kids get there that goes up to 7 straight.
His 0.770 winning percentage is still the highest of any LSU coach in the modern era. You have to go back to Edgar Wingard (1907-1908) for a coach that has more than one season that finished with a higher winning %.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:39 am to skrayper
You've brought too many facts to the table here
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:46 am to Murph4HOF
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LSU - 2-0
Winning record against LSU, guess that's what made him so appealing....
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:47 am to LSUstephen17
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Talk to me after his wins his first natty you’re trying WAAAAY TOO HARD
How did you graduate high school?
Or did you?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:49 am to Murph4HOF
Just playing devil’s advocate, but…
What was Saban doing before LSU?
What was Miles doing before LSU?
What was Orgeron doing before LSU?
They all won titles here.
Maybe we should save the CBK comparisons until he is actually coaching LSU and LSU players in games.
But it’s clear he’s on your mind.
What was Saban doing before LSU?
What was Miles doing before LSU?
What was Orgeron doing before LSU?
They all won titles here.
Maybe we should save the CBK comparisons until he is actually coaching LSU and LSU players in games.
But it’s clear he’s on your mind.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:51 am to HogPharmer
Brian Kelly has been wildly successful everywhere he’s been, but this board trying to talk themselves into him being a failure at LSU of all places somehow.
Serious copium
Serious copium
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:54 am to Murph4HOF
Wow...you guys are really worried about what LSU will be with BK. All those stats mean he's not a good coach? He was very successful at a private school with an enrollment of less than 10k.
Point being, it will be easier recruiting for depth at LSU than ND or a school like Vanderbilt.
Maybe not this year but BK will have LSU competing for a natty in short order and that reality has the SEC concerned. Time will tell.
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University of Notre Dame admissions is most selective with an acceptance rate of 19% and an early acceptance rate of 24.2%. Half the applicants admitted to University of Notre Dame have an SAT score between 1400 and 1550 or an ACT score of 32 and 35.
Point being, it will be easier recruiting for depth at LSU than ND or a school like Vanderbilt.
Maybe not this year but BK will have LSU competing for a natty in short order and that reality has the SEC concerned. Time will tell.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:56 am to TexTigah81
At least half these people I don’t think we’re old enough to remember what Notre Dame had become before he got there.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:57 am to skrayper
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I don't know if we'll ever truly know how good or bad a coach Les Miles was. He definitely could recruit, and he won the national championship once and SEC title twice. How many more titles does he win (SEC and National) if Alabama doesn't hire Nick Saban?
Without Saban at Alabama, it's not crazy to think that Miles goes down as one of the best in LSU's history. At least two national championships, wins the SEC West at least two more times (2009 and 2012 - though probably not the SEC considering how good 2009 Florida and 2012 Georgia were), plus no longer recruiting against Saban probably gets a few more kids to LSU. I could see 2015 going much better then as well. He'd also have a string of 5 straight 10-win seasons, and if the right kids get there that goes up to 7 straight.
His 0.770 winning percentage is still the highest of any LSU coach in the modern era. You have to go back to Edgar Wingard (1907-1908) for a coach that has more than one season that finished with a higher winning %
Yet he was less than .500 at Oklahoma State and Kansas.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:04 am to Murph4HOF
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Clemson - 1-3
Can't believe I'm defending Clemson here but ND barely won that game at home while Trevor Lawrence was out due to COVID. Otherwise Kelly's probably 0-4.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:11 am to skrayper
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don't know if we'll ever truly know how good or bad a coach Les Miles was. He definitely could recruit, and he won the national championship once and SEC title twice. How many more titles does he win (SEC and National) if Alabama doesn't hire Nick Saban? Without Saban at Alabama, it's not crazy to think that Miles goes down as one of the best in LSU's history. At least two national championships, wins the SEC West at least two more times (2009 and 2012 - though probably not the SEC considering how good 2009 Florida and 2012 Georgia were), plus no longer recruiting against Saban probably gets a few more kids to LSU. I could see 2015 going much better then as well. He'd also have a string of 5 straight 10-win seasons, and if the right kids get there that goes up to 7 straight. His 0.770 winning percentage is still the highest of any LSU coach in the modern era. You have to go back to Edgar Wingard (1907-1908) for a coach that has more than one season that finished with a higher winning %.
Miles was a good coach overall, but not elite — I don’t think anyone really argues that.
With regard to Saban, Miles, and Orgeron, all three came to LSU and punched way above their established weight classes at MSU, Okie Lite, and OM (
). Will BK do that? Who knows, but if he does…
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:13 am to SidewalkTiger
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Yet he was less than .500 at Oklahoma State and Kansas.
He was 28-21 at Oklahoma State; took over a team that had 3 straight losing seasons and by his second had them with 8 wins. Outside of that first rebuilding year he had them at 24-14 during his tenure (.632 winning %)
Kansas is Kansas. I doubt even Saban could win anything meaningful there.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:16 am to ibldprplgld
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With regard to Saban, Miles, and Orgeron, all three came to LSU and punched way above their established weight classes at MSU, Okie Lite, and OM
While we have learned that Saban is the GOAT, obviously no one knew that when he got hired at LSU.
But if you're arguing that LSU is a better program than Michigan State, Oklahoma State, and Ole Miss then I don't know who you're arguing with.
Is LSU a better program than Notre Dame though? Couple that with the question of if Kelly did anything particularly remarkable at Notre Dame. Could other coaches do the same there?
Or... would Miles be just as successful at Notre Dame as Kelly was?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:21 am to skrayper
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Is LSU a better program than Notre Dame though?
Yes.
Notre Dame hasn't even won a major bowl game since like 1992.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:22 am to Murph4HOF
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LSU's last three HC's have all won NCs, so it shouldn't matter who LSU hired, amirite?
Considering some teams have had as many 15 different head coaches since their last natty, while some have never won a natty.
LSU will be fine
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:25 am to skrayper
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Is LSU a better program than Notre Dame though?
I think it is but regardless he was 54-9 there the last 5 years, I’ll sign up for that right now.
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Couple that with the question of if Kelly did anything particularly remarkable at Notre Dame.
This is an absurd question
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:32 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Brian Kelly has been wildly successful everywhere he’s been
Define "wildly successful."
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:52 am to Marktastic86
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Define "wildly successful."
Won 2 national titles at grand valley state
Took over a moribund Central Michigan program and won the Mac within 3 years
In 3 years at Cincinnati he won 34 games, 2 Big East titles, went to back to back BCS bowls, and finished the 2009 season 12-0 and ranked 4th when he went to Notre Dame.
Took over Notre Dame, which had languished for almost 15 years under Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weiss. Within 3 years had them playing for the National Title. Went to the playoffs twice and had them in the mix again this last year. 54-9 the last 5 years. This is 21st century Notre Dame, not 1973 Notre Dame.
To claim that’s anything but wildly successful is intellectually dishonest at best, stupidity at worst.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 12:01 pm
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