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Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:36 am to ChapelHillSooner
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Anyone who is going to include Leach (which I assume is tongue-in-cheek) would have to also include Bill Snyder.
As bad as FSU was when Bowden took over, KSU was several orders of magnitude worse.
If this list was based on coaches who did the most with the least, this guy is Top 5 if not #1
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:54 am to lsu777
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Alabama has finished top 4 the last 15 years? pretty sure that is false.
Top 4 finishes for each team (AP only):
Alabama - 9 out of past 13 (2008-2020) or 9 out of past 14 if you prefer
FSU - 13 in a row (1987-1999)
2-loss season count:
Alabama - 3 2-loss seasons outside of top 4
FSU - 5 2-loss seasons within top 4
Context is always important.
FSU 13-season stretch:
5 2-loss seasons
8 1-loss seasons
1 undefeated season
Alabama 13-season stretch:
1 3-loss season
4 2-loss seasons
6 1-loss seasons
2 undefeated seasons
More or less identical, except for those 2-loss seasons being outside the top 4 for Alabama and being inside the top 4 for FSU.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:01 am to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:40 am to bamameister
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FSU sure beat Nebraska enough to qualify. Ask Osborne about that 2 point attempt? UGH!!
Wasn't that failed 2-point attempt against Miami?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:43 am to skrayper
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Top 4 finishes for each team (AP only):
Alabama - 9 out of past 13 (2008-2020) or 9 out of past 14 if you prefer
FSU - 13 in a row (1987-1999)
FSU also finished #5 in 2000. Not sure what that does to Saban's numbers if you make it top 5 finishes instead of top 4
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:48 am to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
14 seasons (1987-2000)
- 2 national titles
- 4 Top 2 finishes
- 14 Top 5 finishes
- 152-19-2 (88.9%)
13 seasons (2008-2020)
- 6 national titles
- 8 Top 2 finishes
- 9 Top 5 finishes
- 163-17 (90.1%)
Considering the league that FSU was in the last half of that run and the league Alabama has been in for their entire run........I'd say the last 13 years for Alabama have been every bit as incredible.
Probably the 2 greatest decade plus runs of consistency in college football history.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:49 am to TheRaid
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Bowden built his legacy on soft scheduling and cheating. He also had the best DC in college football for many years who just wasn't head coaching material or he would have left.
Bowden/FSU filled their schedule with sub-500 teams and then played a big name school like Michigan and Nebraska. Florida wasn't any good. Miami wasn't any good. When Miami turned the corner and Florida turned the corner, he ducked the SEC and joined the ACC expressly so he could have more wins.
The best of all time takes on the best and is not afraid of playing the best. That is 180 degrees away from Bowden.
you are a fricking idiot. Bobby didnt take over at FSU until 76. Howard Schnellenberger took over in 79 at UM. By 83 he won an NC.
ALl of the 80s and until about 95, UM was a huge power and was again in 99,2000, 2001, 2002.
from 84-89 florida had galen hall after charlie pell got fired for cheating. Pell got florida going and Hall had them as a bad arse team in 84 & 85.
SOS took over in 1990 and had UF rocking the whole time.
So wtf are you talking abotu Miami and florida werent good....are you retarded.
so now nebraska wasnt good and was onyl a big name? again are you stupid?
so playing Auburn, clemson, florida, miami, ND, pitt, michigan that were all ranked top 10 plus many others dont count?
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Cheating:
When Sports Illustrated does its first ever probe of a program and calls it the most scandalous cheating program in college football history except for Miami, but somehow gets away with it, you see that Bobby is well-loved as a facade act, but the real deal is shady. Nobody cares that he was a cheater. Nobody. That is because he was "well-liked".
We all have short memories and we feel good and hate bad those the media has conditioned us to love or hate. It just is what it is. Bowden is a scumbag but the media and his good ol boy persona has everyone loving him.
was FSU caught doing anything? nope, not until 06 & 07. Bobby ran a pretty clean program. And who cares if kids were getting money? every program was and is doing that, now its just legal.
Bowden got a bad wrap for keeping kids that got in trouble around. But he was right. He always said it was better for the kid to be there at FSU than kicked out and going back home to be in the streets. Bobby was a devout christain and lived it.
frick you and frick off!!!
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
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op 4 finishes for each team (AP only):
Alabama - 9 out of past 13 (2008-2020) or 9 out of past 14 if you prefer
FSU - 13 in a row (1987-1999)
2-loss season count:
Alabama - 3 2-loss seasons outside of top 4
FSU - 5 2-loss seasons within top 4
Context is always important.
FSU 13-season stretch:
5 2-loss seasons
8 1-loss seasons
1 undefeated season
Alabama 13-season stretch:
1 3-loss season
4 2-loss seasons
6 1-loss seasons
2 undefeated seasons
More or less identical, except for those 2-loss seasons being outside the top 4 for Alabama and being inside the top 4 for FSU.
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14 seasons (1987-2000)
- 2 national titles
- 4 Top 2 finishes
- 14 Top 5 finishes
- 152-19-2 (88.9%)
13 seasons (2008-2020)
- 6 national titles
- 8 Top 2 finishes
- 9 Top 5 finishes
- 163-17 (90.1%)
Considering the league that FSU was in the last half of that run and the league Alabama has been in for their entire run........I'd say the last 13 years for Alabama have been every bit as incredible.
Probably the 2 greatest decade plus runs of consistency in college football history.
FTR i said i agree that Bamas is more impressive, but was just pointing out the differences.
Bowden essentially created what USC and Bama have replicated in past 2 decades and somewhat what LSU was from 03-12. Same thing Howard S and jimmy johnson created at miami.
in fact i would say until lane went to bama, Bama was almost exact replica of what FSU was. Great Wrs and Rbs, mainly good but not great QB play on offense. Then amazing DLine and DBs with some great LBs mixed in throughout the years.
But mainly defined by great RB and DLine.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:57 am to lsu777
Yep - I mean what Bowden did is incredible. The most incredible thing, like with Alabama, was the consistency with which they did it.
They were great every single season. There was no fall off no matter who they lost. They just showed up and played the same style of ball every year and won tons of games.
Great man, great coach.
They were great every single season. There was no fall off no matter who they lost. They just showed up and played the same style of ball every year and won tons of games.
Great man, great coach.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Bobby Bowden said it best. On his tombstone just write, "He had to play Miami." Everybody else was getting the short end of the stick.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:16 pm to lsufball19
To add on to this, it was only in 1947 that Florida State got that name and stopped being a women's college.
In the three years before Bowden took over, the FSU football program was a doormat going 0-11, 1-10, and 3-8.
Nebraska did well before Tom Osborne. Not so FSU before Bowden.
In the three years before Bowden took over, the FSU football program was a doormat going 0-11, 1-10, and 3-8.
Nebraska did well before Tom Osborne. Not so FSU before Bowden.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:21 pm to machismo64
While Bowden clearly took FSU to new heights that they'd never achieved, they had been a good program in the years before Muddra and Larry Jones under Bill Peterson. They went to 4 bowl games between 1964 and 1968 and finished ranked in the Top 15 3 times. They went 62-31-5 between 1964-1970. Peterson came from LSU, where he was Dietzel's OL coach (and signed Billy Cannon) during 1958-1959 (LSU went 20-2, 11-1; won the 1958 national title and finished #3 in 1959).
FSU then went 4-29 from 1973-1975, and Bowden was hired in 1976.
1964 (BP) : 9-1-1 (#11) (Gator)
1965 (BP) : 4-5-1
1966 (BP) : 6-5 (Sun)
1967 (BP) : 7-2-2 (#15) (Gator)
1968 (BP) : 8-3 (#14) (Peach)
1969 (BP) : 6-3-1
1970 (BP) : 7-4
1971 (Jones) : 8-4 (#19) (Fiesta)
1972 (Jones) : 7-4
1973 (Jones) : 0-11
1974 (Mudra) : 1-10
1975 (Mudra) : 3-8
1976 ---- BOWDEN
FSU then went 4-29 from 1973-1975, and Bowden was hired in 1976.
1964 (BP) : 9-1-1 (#11) (Gator)
1965 (BP) : 4-5-1
1966 (BP) : 6-5 (Sun)
1967 (BP) : 7-2-2 (#15) (Gator)
1968 (BP) : 8-3 (#14) (Peach)
1969 (BP) : 6-3-1
1970 (BP) : 7-4
1971 (Jones) : 8-4 (#19) (Fiesta)
1972 (Jones) : 7-4
1973 (Jones) : 0-11
1974 (Mudra) : 1-10
1975 (Mudra) : 3-8
1976 ---- BOWDEN
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:05 pm to RD Dawg
1. Yes, there was a choice about Miami. UF dropped Miami in the 80s. FSU could have also.
2. Yes, his Bowden Humor came out in that SEC remark. He did NOT make the decision to join the ACC. That was pushed on him by the Faculty, the President, and AD Bob Goin.
He could have been in the SEC, fought Spurrier, up and down Bama and Auburn, UT and been just fine during the 90s. I had family in the FSU Athletic Department back then, so I know what I speak of.
3. You are either very young or stupid
4. Another point, LSU courted Bowden in 1979, they offered, he declined. Everyone knows about Bama the first and second time. 2 Premier SEC programs obviously thought enough of Coach Bowden to try and hire him. He would have wrecked the SEC at LSU or Bama either one.
2. Yes, his Bowden Humor came out in that SEC remark. He did NOT make the decision to join the ACC. That was pushed on him by the Faculty, the President, and AD Bob Goin.
He could have been in the SEC, fought Spurrier, up and down Bama and Auburn, UT and been just fine during the 90s. I had family in the FSU Athletic Department back then, so I know what I speak of.
3. You are either very young or stupid
4. Another point, LSU courted Bowden in 1979, they offered, he declined. Everyone knows about Bama the first and second time. 2 Premier SEC programs obviously thought enough of Coach Bowden to try and hire him. He would have wrecked the SEC at LSU or Bama either one.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:46 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Why is Urban behind Tres?
Why is either in the top ten?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:55 pm to GBJs
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Why is either in the top ten?
why?
becasue besides Saban...Urb is the best coach in our lifetime prolly. He has 3 national chamionships at 2 different schools and an undefeated season at utah and ohio state. How many big bowls did he win, Conference championships, winning %, etc
Tressel had 4 NCs at youngstown and was a fricking legend before going to OSU where he had an NC and 2 runner ups. How many times in a row did he win the Big 10.
Jesus christ....go do some research before making dumbass comments.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:08 pm to lsu777
I'd put Woody Hayes above both of them honestly. He turned OSU into the powerhouse program that both Tressell and Meyer benefitted from. Hayes won the Big 10 9 out of 10 years from 1968-1977 and 5 claimed national titles (3 if you go by API/UPI/Coaches). He also went 10-1 in 1950 at Miami before Miami was a blip on the radar.
And while his time in college football was short-lived, what Pete Carroll did at USC for 9 years was very impressive. 7 straight 11+ win seasons, b2b national titles and very close to b2b2b.
And I'm glad someone else mentioned Bill Snyder. What he did at Kansas State is one of the most impressive jobs in college football history
And while his time in college football was short-lived, what Pete Carroll did at USC for 9 years was very impressive. 7 straight 11+ win seasons, b2b national titles and very close to b2b2b.
And I'm glad someone else mentioned Bill Snyder. What he did at Kansas State is one of the most impressive jobs in college football history
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
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And I'm glad someone else mentioned Bill Snyder. What he did at Kansas State is one of the most impressive jobs in college football history
Yep - and as with Bowden, not just taking a program to incredible new heights, but doing it with consistency. They finished ranked in 10 of 11 seasons from 1993 to 2003. Finished in the top 10 six times from 1995-2002.
Just insane.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:20 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Bowden finished in the top 5 FIFTEEN years in a row. Saban never did that!
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:22 pm to GBJs
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Why is either in the top ten?
Not sure if serious. Urban went 187-32 while winning 3 titles. Highest winning % of all time for guys who coached at least 200 games (.854, Osborne is next at .836).
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