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Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:59 pm to OKBoomerSooner
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:59 pm to OKBoomerSooner
I think they add just two more schools and they'll be in states that don't currently have SEC teams.
I want UNC and Virginia
I want UNC and Virginia
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:44 pm to Farmer1906
Add NCState in there somewhere…
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:52 pm to Daigeaux
NC State? Jesus Christ, I have no idea why people suggest them as an SEC add. They’re the third most popular athletics program in a state that’s really not that huge. NCSU is also probably the ACC’s worst academic institution.
If we’re going to make lame adds from “new TV markets”, why not go with UVA? At least they’re good in basketball, and have excellent academics.
If we’re going to make lame adds from “new TV markets”, why not go with UVA? At least they’re good in basketball, and have excellent academics.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:01 pm to OklahomaLurker
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I want UNC and Virginia
Yea I think both of those programs are solid. I think Virginia Tech is a better cultural fit, but I think there’s reasonable arguments for either.
I’m not actually enamored about expansion within states we already have, but Florida State and Clemson would be obvious natural fits.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:28 pm to Bayou445
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hey’re the third most popular athletics program in a state that’s really not that huge. NCSU is also probably the ACC’s worst academic institution.
Please link your facts here.
Until recently it was #1 in football revenue in the sport and just sits behind UNC currently by like a million last year but has seen an increase as well.
Population in NC is currently 9th in the country just slightly behind GA and 1 of 9 states over 10 million people.
Academic ranking for the ACC I would agree but only 4 schools in the SEC(Vandy, UF, UGA, and a&m) are ranked higher. So it would currently sit 5th in the SEC. Unless my math is wrong that would improve the overall academics in the SEC as a whole. Just saying
If you have had the opportunity to attend all 3 for home games you would see that NC State is the only one close in pregame and supporting their teams like the SEC.
They maintained over 98% in stadium capacity for home games last year. So even when they are not doing great fans still attend games.
Also when considering TV markets NC State grads have the largest alumni network in the Triangle and Charlotte combined. The largest TV markets in the state and outside of FL and Atlanta, Charlotte is the next largest market in the Southeast.
So not sure how they would not fit well in the SEC. And no I not a NCSU fan by any means.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:31 pm to Houag80
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Sankey really screwed the pooch on this one.
You won't think so after the SEC adds UNC and Duke. Whatever other two teams is largely irrelevant.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:32 pm to TideWarrior
In football, UNC has an all time 68-37-5 record vs NC State. Even for football, UNC would be a better add than NC State. And, frankly, nobody is proposing UNC as an SEC add for football reasons.
NCSU has been downright bad in basketball ever since Jim Valvano retired, they’ve never been good in football, and they don’t even bring good academics. Their stadium only seats 56,000, which would probably be one of the smallest in the SEC, and even if they claim to usually sell out, I’ve learned to not trust these official attendance numbers. It would be a downright embarrassing add.
NCSU has been downright bad in basketball ever since Jim Valvano retired, they’ve never been good in football, and they don’t even bring good academics. Their stadium only seats 56,000, which would probably be one of the smallest in the SEC, and even if they claim to usually sell out, I’ve learned to not trust these official attendance numbers. It would be a downright embarrassing add.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:34 pm to deltaland
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SEC getting left in the dust. 5 years we will be like the Big12 today
Hardly. It is the SEC that is winning titles and that is the whole point of sports. That will never change
While the Big Ten, for now, will make more money, the SEC is not poor and still has to negotiate the TV deal when we add UTexas and OU.
The Big Ten jumped the shark by adding so many teams and in 3 different time zones. Get your popcorn and watch it happen.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:40 pm to thatguy45
The Big Ten also added Maryland and Rutgers.
I’m not really sure what the point of that expansion was, other than having as many members of the SEC. And, if Barry Alvarez is to be believed, to prevent PSU from looking toward the ACC.
I’m not really sure what the point of that expansion was, other than having as many members of the SEC. And, if Barry Alvarez is to be believed, to prevent PSU from looking toward the ACC.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:44 pm to RelentlessTide
I still think we should go in the opposite direction and scale back to the original 10.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:53 am to TideWarrior
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Why are they playing here? Maybe better coaches, better chance to get to the NFL, and a better chance to win a NC. Now how many of those Cali QBs are now going to look forward playing half their games in the frozen tundra of the Midwest?
The only way the B10 improves their product is if they agree to give players some kind of revenue sharing from the TV deals which will have to go through federal legislation to get approved. NIL is one thing but becoming an employee and receiving employee benefits is a whole different ball game.
Well right now it is the best option for the top Cali kids to play in programs that are on the best TV slots for exposure (brand building etc) and chance to win a CFP Championship. We don't disagree on that.
But with USC and UCLA now being on the Fox game at Noon, or on NBC in Primetime, those players are now going to play in TV windows with more opportunity for exposure and against BigTen teams in large Stadiums vs. what they in when they go to Cal, Corvallis, Pullman Tuscon, etc.
The Big10 has stadiums across the league that align well with what you have top to bottom in the SEC.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:11 am to TideWarrior
quote:I've read the original grant of rights, but not the amended one which extended the term from 2027 to 2036. Unless the amendment included one, there is no buyout in the grant of rights. It's illogical that you would include one if your intent is to keep schools committed to a conference for the duration of the agreement. Why do people always think there is an easy way out of contracts?
Except the GoR allows for a buyout, which means they can leave if they want to.
If the ROI for buying out the schools in the ACC that the SEC may want is worth it, I doubt each school currently in the conference would have an issue chipping in.
EDIT: Found the amendment, and all it does is extend the term. There is no buyout.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:20 am to TideWarrior
I like the idea of NC State better than UNC in terms of "fit" for the SEC, and remain confident that NC State playing regional brands like Florida/Georgia/Tennessee/Kentucky would easily cement them as the most popular football team in the state relative to UNC vs. Iowa/Maryland/Illinois.
That being said, UNC would still maintain considerable popularity. If the SEC was able to grab UNC, you completely neuter NC State since they're not going to the Big Ten and their program would quickly recede to App State/ECU levels of interest.
That being said, UNC would still maintain considerable popularity. If the SEC was able to grab UNC, you completely neuter NC State since they're not going to the Big Ten and their program would quickly recede to App State/ECU levels of interest.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:21 am to genuineLSUtiger
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I still think we should go in the opposite direction and scale back to the original 10.
Fine you think that but that is not happening. Consolidation with disruption is coming. Once it finishes, the new College Football Semi-Pro League is going to break away and be a separate entity from the other schools that are all currently under the NCAA umbrella of FBS schools.
Those in the what will be a semi-pro league will self govern and be in their own league. These teams/leagues will be the Big10 with additional expansion from some current P5 programs and the SEC with additional expansion from some current P5 programs.
The current P5 programs that get left out of the new College semi-Pro league (i.e. Oregon State, Washington State, Kansas, etc.) will remain under the NCAA umbrella. These will be in the case of Louisiana for example, Tulane, LA. Tech, ULL and ULM's of the world. In Alabama, schools like UAB, Troy and South Alabama, in Mississippi Southern Miss. etc.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:47 am to thatguy45
The B1G recently signed new TV contracts. One of the conditions in those contracts is that the addition of more teams to the conference will not cause new negotiations or more money for the conference. They won’t be expanding in the near future.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:48 am to thatguy45
We should add Hawaii for the road trips
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:56 am to Kentucker
Incorrect. It’s widely reported that with the addition of more teams, an escalator in the contract could push the value to more than $10B.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:55 pm to HickoryofOld
they are trying to get better recruits in the BIg 10 ,,,, he cant pay players he knows that without permission from the ncaa. I see this going one way its going to be a new war SEC vs Big Ten. Now we see why they dumped ESPN and wanted multiple TV partners for the playoff..... No matter the 20 teams it wont matter.... at 16 the SEC is better at every sport including basketball.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:26 pm to Kentucker
quote:Reports are that the contracts they negotiated have a provision to increase the compensation pro rata in the case of expansion, so that existing teams would not lose money by adding new schools.
The B1G recently signed new TV contracts. One of the conditions in those contracts is that the addition of more teams to the conference will not cause new negotiations or more money for the conference. They won’t be expanding in the near future.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:40 pm to thatguy45
Grab Ohio State, the only university of real athletic worth, and laugh your arse off at the Big Ten.
ETA: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, etc…they are faux “big names”. Ohio State is the only true current football power from the Big Ten
ETA: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, etc…they are faux “big names”. Ohio State is the only true current football power from the Big Ten
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:42 pm
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