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re: Big XII Meeting With Expansion Candidates
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:12 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:12 pm to Cheese Grits
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Smart move would have been to form the B12 as soon as the SWC started to crack and swap Hogs for Bears. That alone probably doomed the B12. I for one am happy to have the Hogs as our brothers in arms but it was really dumb of Texas to allow them to join the SEC in the first place.
They did form the Big XII as soon as the SWC started to crack.
The Texas Legislature basically threatened to cut and completely restructure the PUF if A&M or Texas left the SWC or each others' side.
Had Bob Bullock not been Lieutenant Governor, Baylor and Texas Tech may not have survived the SWC/Big 8 merger.
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:12 pm to NaturalStateReb
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The SEC Network package has netted each school nearly $30 million.
Link?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:16 pm to NaturalStateReb
They should get ULL on the phone lol
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:19 pm to BigBlue8Titles
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I don't see all of the cloak and dagger stuff you seem to think exist.
It is not cloak and dagger which is why I keep wondering if you are an alter. If you have been around long enough there are lots of ties between the 2 conferences going all the way back to the beginning. If you are over 50 or 60 you would know this and you would also know that the decisions at the top are being made by men from this age group not 20 to 30 year olds on an internet chat program. There are also lots of similar ties between the B1G and PAC that have equal age and it is easily seen if you lived through it.
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we will be the BIG DOG among college conferences and everyone else will cater to us.
We already are and they already do. There are 2 big dogs in college sports and they are the SEC and B1G. It has been this way in the past and it will continue in the near future.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:20 pm to YouDontKnowBro
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The Big 12 can have Mizzou and A&M back. Problem solved for everyone.
If the SEC was going to make a smart business move, it would be to dump a school from each state that has two,, starting with YOU!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:21 pm to mizzoukills
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The Big 12 is a real life example of what happens when you poorly play the game of Risk.
THE UKRAINE IS WEAK!
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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They did form the Big XII as soon as the SWC started to crack.
No they didn't. They formed the Big XII a few years after a key piece of the SWC broke off. Even in the immediate aftermath of Arkansas leaving, Texas projected a "we didn't need them anyway" attitude. And Arkansas officially announced it was leaving in 1990, so they had years to get something together.
The SWC "started to crack" in the mid to late 80s in the aftermath of the Houston sanctions and SMU death penalty. Football attendance was miserable at all schools except for the big state schools. Frank Broyles saw the writing on the wall but couldn't convince Texas to do anything about it.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:26 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The Texas Legislature basically threatened to cut and completely restructure the PUF if A&M or Texas left the SWC or each others' side.
Had Bob Bullock not been Lieutenant Governor, Baylor and Texas Tech may not have survived the SWC/Big 8 merger.
Besides the "Texas broke up the Big 12" lie which is propagated constantly on this board, and which Cheese Grits seems to rebuff -- now, there's the above.
Let us set the record straight, from someone who was intimately involved.
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There has been great mystery about why Baylor and Texas Tech were selected to join Texas A&M and UT in the creation of the Big 12. Speculation was that Gov. Ann Richards and Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock forced their selection, but you say that was not true. What did happen?
I never heard from Richards on this subject. She may have talked with some of our regents or officials at other universities, but she never contacted me, and no one ever told me that Richards was interested in the Big 12.
Bullock did convene a meeting to discuss realignment with officials from UT and A&M. Bullock’s major concern was that A&M might be moving to the SEC and thereby would diminish the new Big 12. I made it very clear that UT favored A&M, Baylor and Tech joining the Big 12, along with UT. I supported these schools joining the Big 12 because they had a record of good attendance at athletic events and were of high academic quality.
There is no question in my mind that Baylor was admitted to the Big 12 based on its own qualifications, not on political intervention. With regard to this issue, Bullock was as light-handed with me as I had ever seen him, and when Bullock really wanted something to happen, he was anything but light-handed.
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:28 pm to NaturalStateReb
I think it's time to shut the Big 12 down. This is from a Baylor board:
If Baylor is your flagship (sorry Arkansas), you need serious help.
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Ian and Art have to change their paradigm and how they perceive the big picture of this program and what that means for this conference. I have a feeling Art could give a crap about the Big 12 (especially now) and is all about this team and what gives him the best chance to win every game. Now they need to reset and schedule future games as Baylor representing the conference...the new standard and flagship team which will help the image of all teams. We need drop IW and Lamar, at least schedule some big series 5-7 years out from now so it shows we are serious.
If Baylor is your flagship (sorry Arkansas), you need serious help.
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This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:28 pm to texashorn
Unbelievable that you're here peddling this horse shite. frick off
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to LSUtah
The Big 12 is being lead by two private Christian schools with 45,000-seat stadiums.
SHUT IT DOWN
SHUT IT DOWN
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to Jagd Tiger
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If the SEC was going to make a smart business move, it would be to dump a school from each state that has two,, starting with YOU!
I agree, this year's football notwithstanding, Mississippi is a little state to be taking up 2 of the scarce spots in our conference. Just think, we could swap one of Miss or Miss St for Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia or another Texas school.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to Cheese Grits
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They got kicked out. This matters because the AAU has now shown being in the "club" from the beginning is no longer an assurance of continued membership.
The AAU is now making federal research grants one of the main criteria for membership. Syracuse University is withdrawing from the organization because they face expulsion if they don't.
SU administrators had decided to pursue state and local grants in preference to federal grants, which then dropped them to near the bottom of the AAU's tolerance level.
The AAU is cutting off its nose to spite its face IMO. To me, they are deemphasizing the main reason institutions of higher learning exist - education. Research is wonderful but education must remain the prime function of universities.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to LSUtah
Horns built a soft conference that they can't even win. Now they're invading the Rant with their bullying and arrogance.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:32 pm to Tennessee Jed
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If their AD ever decided to commit themselves to football, watch out.
Their AD isn't the problem. It's their fans. They won their conference this year and didn't come close to filling up even one side of the Liberty Bowl. The only time the Liberty Bowl sells out for a Memphis football game is when they host Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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They did form the Big XII as soon as the SWC started to crack.
Nope, like realignment in 2010 Texas stuck its head in the sand for a year or 2 instead of taking the bull by the horns and leading with a plan right away. If they had done that they would have taken the Hogs with them to the B12 instead of allowing the SEC a year or 2 to talk with the Hogs and move them to the SEC. B12 would possibly still be alive and strong and Baylor would be in the MWC with TCU or on CUSA which is probably where both of them belong.
Once you get past say #2 or #3 in a big population state the value drops quickly.
P5 has 4 CA schools because the PAC has a geographic moat
P5 has 3 FL schools and Miami is the weakest link going forward
P5 has 4 NC schools which is at least 1 and possibly 2 too many
P5 has 5 TX schools which 2 too many
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:33 pm to BigBlue8Titles
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another Texas school.
Will literally never happen.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:33 pm to LSUtah
Bottom line is that Texas and the league it directs has always been reactive rather than pro-active.
If there had been broad support from Texas or another school in the late 80s to form the Big 12, Arkansas would have probably gone along with it. There was no leadership there smart enough to be pro-active. There still isn't. That's why the Big 12 is looking at adding schools like Cincy or Boise St. Those are desperation moves by a league that will eventually fall apart.
If there had been broad support from Texas or another school in the late 80s to form the Big 12, Arkansas would have probably gone along with it. There was no leadership there smart enough to be pro-active. There still isn't. That's why the Big 12 is looking at adding schools like Cincy or Boise St. Those are desperation moves by a league that will eventually fall apart.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:33 pm to LSUtah
I'm looking for actual payouts, not projections, dumbass.
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