re: Big XII Meeting With Expansion Candidates

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Mizzou never made the rules that saw CU, NU and Aggie leave before them, no matter how many idiots like you want to paint it like we did.

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I never said they did.

I put the blame squarely on the B1G for starting realignment in the 90's with Penn State and agin in 2010 when they went after the B12. They could not win on their own so they had to attack another conference (the B12) which had enough of a fracture already to allow it to happen.

Smart move would have been to form the B12 as soon as the SWC started to crack and swap Hogs for Bears. That alone probably doomed the B12. I for one am happy to have the Hogs as our brothers in arms but it was really dumb of Texas to allow them to join the SEC in the first place.


Oklahoma was the smart on for suggesting Louisville and Texas was dumb for wanting TCU instead. If the B12 added West Virginia and Louisville right after they lost Nebraska and Colorado in 2010 they would have stayed at 12 and kept the B12 CCG in the bargain. They could always add TCU later as no other P5 was going to add them. Instead they waited for another year or 2 and let the ACC become the stronger P5 conference.

One day they will study all this in business schools on how not to do M&A's

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UCF realistically has no shot at being a relevant conference player. But I agree w/ you Joker, they are a good program for what they are..

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I think UCF is one of the only AAC schools that makes any sense. They've been paying really well since of O'Leary took over, they are in a valuable tv market, has one of, if not the, largest student bodies, and are in so recruiting hotbed. To me it makes way more sense than Cincinnati or Memphis.

Looking at it from a pure economics stand point, I'd go with UCF and BYU.

Dr RC...I wish you would actually read what I posted. I never said that they are going to the ACC. I said the rumor is that they are seeking admission.

Big difference, bruh.

That rumor has no legs or voice in TX. You are the first I've heard this from and I've got plenty of Baylor friends who are pretty sizable donors and those who are just rabid fans. Not a peep from any of them.

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I liked it when Neinas said Missouri shouldn't go to the SEC, because it made no geographic sense (though we border 3 SEC states). And then when adding WVU, he said geography didn't matter. I also like booing his arse when we won the final Big XII bball tourney we were in, when he presented the trophy to us.

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In his defense, it had to work better than the truth.

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Not every school is AAU (Nebraska).

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They were when they joined

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I think they dropped out after joining the Big Ten though.

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They got kicked out. This matters because the AAU has now shown being in the "club" from the beginning is no longer an assurance of continued membership. Anybody granted membership prior to the 1920's is probably not safe unless they have B1G, PAC, ACC, or IVY ties.

1900 Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Princeton, Stanford, Cal, Chicago, Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin, and Yale = safe
1904 Virginia = safe
1908 Illinois and Minnesota = safe, Missouri = not safe
1909 Indiana and Iowa = safe, Kansas = not safe, and Nebraska = removed
1916 Ohio State = safe
1917 Northwestern = safe

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I'd love to have UNC, but I think chasing the Tar Heels is like chasing the end of the rainbow. UNC is never going to leave the ACC unless staying in the ACC just becomes completely impractical.

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I think they would come in a heartbeat if asked. The difference in $$$$$ is tremendous and in the SEC they would own the whole state in their conference rather than sharing it with 3 rivals.

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I wish the SEC would launch a preemptive strike against the ACC since the P5 conferences will all eventually end up at 16 teams anyway.

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Why are people so set on this 4 different 16 team league thing? Just some desire for symmetry? Symmetry doesn't trump money and it never will. Okay. Let's pretend this 16 team thing happens, how would it unfold?

tu/Texas Tech/OSU/OU join the West Coast and create the Pac 16. Gotcha. Then Kansas and Notre Dame join the B1G. Then UConn and West Virginia join the ACC. Then what? TCU and Baylor? Lol. K-State and Iowa State? Lol. Why would they take anyone?

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Taking North Carolina would rip the heart out of the ACC.

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Then don't do it. The ACC is weak and marginalized. Let them be. The conference doesn't need North Carolina.

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You just don't get it. It is the SEC that is preventing the ACC from being poached by being the stick that keeps the B1G in line. Think of it as 2 houses looking maintain control. B1G and PAC = 1st house ACC and SEC = 2nd house Balance of power and all

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I don't see all of the cloak and dagger stuff you seem to think exist. If the SEC has UNC and another team (OK, UVA preferably or Duke) then we completely dominate the South, all of its media markets, recruiting grounds ect. We won't need anything from the ACC and there's nothing the B1G or PAC16 can do to us...because we will be the BIG DOG among college conferences and everyone else will cater to us.