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re: Big Ten could be expanding with Oregon, UW, Stanford, and Cal - FSU planning move from ACC
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:50 pm to Shaft Williams
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:50 pm to Shaft Williams
If you're ESPN would you even want $300 million from FSU and/or Clemson or any ACC school? Or, would you prefer to move them to the SEC who is your business partner?
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:52 pm to Shaft Williams
FSU BOT meeting going on right now...
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FSU President Rick McCullough: "Our goal would be to stay in the ACC. But staying in the ACC under the current situation is hard for us to figure out how we remain competitive. Unless there were a major change in the revenue distribution within the conference."
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FSU president Rick McCullough: "We currently face a very difficult situation. We are seeing large media deals that have been made with places like the Big Ten and the SEC which in many ways is ... an existential crisis perhaps for Florida State University."
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FSU president Rick McCullough: "I believe that FSU will have to, at some point, consider very seriously leaving the ACC — unless there were a radical change to the revenue distribution."
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FSU President Rick McCullough: "Our goal would be to stay in the ACC. But staying in the ACC under the current situation is hard for us to figure out how we remain competitive. Unless there were a major change in the revenue distribution within the conference."
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FSU president Rick McCullough: "We currently face a very difficult situation. We are seeing large media deals that have been made with places like the Big Ten and the SEC which in many ways is ... an existential crisis perhaps for Florida State University."
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FSU president Rick McCullough: "I believe that FSU will have to, at some point, consider very seriously leaving the ACC — unless there were a radical change to the revenue distribution."
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:53 pm to 1999
Lol poor fsu
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:03 pm to Cs
I don't care if the big 10 adds 50 schools, the SEC doesn't need to do ANYTHING just because they do. We've got a great lineup and I'm ready to roll.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:26 pm to Tideroller
Duke has no pull in football and there is no proof that post Coach K will retain the “Duke” basketball brand we currently think of.
From a $$$/ad/media rights standpoint basketball is barely relevant so the discussion is really all about football.
Further, any discussion around “controlling media markets” is 10 years antiquated as the money is no longer based on adding markets but on national media ad buying interest as most consumers have shifted from local cable to streaming.
Adding to this is the media grant of rights which makes any discussion of ACC schools academic unless the entire conference folds or the GOR nears the end of its agreement.
The only relevant questions are which schools if any would add value and if so are they a social and cultural fit?
Duke and UVA don’t bring the football ad value and are a hard no from a culture standpoint.
Va Tech and NCSU are the both questionable from a value add standpoint and subject to the GOR issue, but would be decent culture fits.
UNC, FSU and Clemson probably fit the profile but are subject to the GOR restrictions and would be waitlisted until the money works.
ND would be a huge revenue add but is a questionable culture fit and is also entangled in the ACC GOR issue to some degree.
From a $$$/ad/media rights standpoint basketball is barely relevant so the discussion is really all about football.
Further, any discussion around “controlling media markets” is 10 years antiquated as the money is no longer based on adding markets but on national media ad buying interest as most consumers have shifted from local cable to streaming.
Adding to this is the media grant of rights which makes any discussion of ACC schools academic unless the entire conference folds or the GOR nears the end of its agreement.
The only relevant questions are which schools if any would add value and if so are they a social and cultural fit?
Duke and UVA don’t bring the football ad value and are a hard no from a culture standpoint.
Va Tech and NCSU are the both questionable from a value add standpoint and subject to the GOR issue, but would be decent culture fits.
UNC, FSU and Clemson probably fit the profile but are subject to the GOR restrictions and would be waitlisted until the money works.
ND would be a huge revenue add but is a questionable culture fit and is also entangled in the ACC GOR issue to some degree.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:36 pm to tide06
It's not all about football. Duke, UVA, and UNC are schools with huge endowments, great academic/research prowess, and national brands (they bring viewers). They would all be great additions to the SEC. The cultural argument is not that relevant when you're dealing with this kind of money.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:39 pm to Shaft Williams
You're a damn fool if you think the SEC wouldn't accept UNC or UVA because they aren't a football power.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:40 pm to Shaft Williams
Exactly. You add Duke, Virginia, and UNC, the SEC would be the wealthiest conference in the country. Duke can easily dump money into a football team. Clemson and FSU can't dump 12 billion in their endowment.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:43 pm to tide06
UNC
Clemson
FSU
Virginia Tech
Good additions if we go to 20.
Clemson
FSU
Virginia Tech
Good additions if we go to 20.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:46 pm to G&P
UNC and Virginia should go B1G. They will be perennial doormats in the SEC.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:46 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Cal and Stanford don’t really add anything to the conference athletically.
There's a lot of political pressure coming from Sacramento for the Big 10 to take Cal or they may try to block UCLA from joining. Stanford maybe for academic prestige.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:48 pm to Cs
What would Georgia Tech add to the SEC?
We already have an academic punching bag with no fanbase in Vandy.
We already have an academic punching bag with no fanbase in Vandy.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:59 pm to AUCE05
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Duke can easily dump money into a football team
So can Rice
Posted on 8/2/23 at 4:02 pm to Cs
16 teams is plenty for the SEC...
Just use the ACC as kinda like triple A baseball teams for the SEC...
With the NIL and immediate transfers, the ACC would be a asset to the Conference...
Just use the ACC as kinda like triple A baseball teams for the SEC...
With the NIL and immediate transfers, the ACC would be a asset to the Conference...
Posted on 8/2/23 at 5:27 pm to Cs
Dumb. 4 conferences of 16 with the top 2 from each getting auto playoff bids and 4 at large would be ideal. Anything past 16 teams on a conference is dumb for a 12 game regular season.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 5:58 pm to ukraine_rebel
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Cal and Stanford don’t really add anything to the conference athletically.
This comment is way wrong. Stanford has more NCAA national championships than anyone. And, Cal has the 10th most NCAA national championships right behind LSU.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:02 pm to ukraine_rebel
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There's a lot of political pressure coming from Sacramento for the Big 10 to take Cal or they may try to block UCLA from joining. Stanford maybe for academic prestige.
The deal has already been made that UCLA will give Cal some of their B10 money. If Cal joins the B10 there's no need for that agreement anymore. Stanford can do whatever they like. They have the money to be independent or quit football.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:04 pm to G&P
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UNC and Virginia should go B1G. They will be perennial doormats in the SEC.
Doormats in football is a likelihood but you don't want every team in the SEC being really good. You need a few guaranteed wins for the elite football programs. Other than that, UNC and UVA are competitive and they bring more viewers, prestige and money to the SEC.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:10 pm to Cs
Let’s just add FSU and Clemson and call it a day. They should have been the target back when we added aTm and Mizzou. They fit in geographically and make way more sense than any of the Texas schools.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:18 pm to Cs
I’ll tell you what.
Whoever the Big 12 commissioner is deserves a raise. I thought they were dead in the water. They are going to end up fine.
Whoever the Big 12 commissioner is deserves a raise. I thought they were dead in the water. They are going to end up fine.
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