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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:38 pm to BrotherDawg84
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:38 pm to BrotherDawg84
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You can’t make an objective argument using yards in high school. I’ve seen high school players rack up yards playing AA when their better AAAAAAA counterparts were gaining much less for obvious reasons. Herschel Walker was a man among boys and ran behind an average to just above average line when he was at UGA. Henry? Herschel was, by any measure and on almost all objective lists, the best RB in the history of CFB. You all can keep touting your very good home boys, but they were no Herschel Walker, period end of sentence.
I'm using high school, college, and pros. Numbers are objective and Henry was superior in every statistical category. A man among boys...what do you call a 6-3 245 lb back who runs faster than dbs?
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 2:42 pm
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:42 pm to Tornado Alley
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but understand that there is no objective metric that shows Henry was better in 2015.
This is such horseshite.
Henry averaged 149/game against ranked teams, while Fournette averaged 117.
Henry averaged 161/game against teams with a winning record, while Fournette averaged 146.
Fournette faded in November, while Henry became the King.
What a garbage take. It's time to let it go. 2015 was a long time ago.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:43 pm to mbogo
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Numbers are objective
Apparently some numbers are subjective if you're an LSU fan
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:50 pm to Dawg4Life47
Bo knows
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
Can I have them both in the backfield, in their prime, for one season?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:37 pm to 3down10
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Walkers record
The difference is everyone knew GA was running the ball with Walker. RBs pretty much we’re the offense. Boxes were stacked. Not the same with modern college offense.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:51 pm to 3down10
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Henry did that in 15 games, Walker in 11
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No, Henry did it before the bowl games/playoffs.
He also broke the record in like 50 less carries.
Alabama played 12 regular season games in 2015, Georgia played 11 in 1981.
Walker's stats don't include post season...
So, in Henry's first 11 games of 2015, he had 1,526 rushing yards.
In 1981, Georgia averaged 164 yards passing and 282 yards rushing per game.
In 2015, Alabama averaged 227 yards passing and 199 yards rushing per game.
Everyone knew Georgia was going to run the ball, and they couldn't stop them.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:55 pm to Tornado Alley
Don’t forget about Fournette trying to start a fight with UF players and then refusing to play in 2016.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:12 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
My main problem with this debate is its to the point where I believe people aren't thinking objectively the first answers they say are Bo or Walker just because that's what was said by pundit to pundit for years and years to the point where people are thinking it's gospel.
If people actually believe one of those guys were the best then that's fine but I have a problem with guys just going around spouting the opinion of some guy off ESPN and thinking that it's fact. There were plenty of great SEC RBs who can be included in this conversation but guys are just going off of what they heard instead of thinking objectively.
If people actually believe one of those guys were the best then that's fine but I have a problem with guys just going around spouting the opinion of some guy off ESPN and thinking that it's fact. There were plenty of great SEC RBs who can be included in this conversation but guys are just going off of what they heard instead of thinking objectively.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:13 pm to mbogo
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I'm using high school, college, and pros. Numbers are objective and Henry was superior in every statistical category. A man among boys...what do you call a 6-3 245 lb back who runs faster than dbs?
Why is it only you and a few other Bammers who don't recognize that Herschel Walker was the best RB in the history of CFB. Bias? All of the experts and most fans recognize it. You know Herschel ran track, right? Man among boys? That describes Herschel.
"Walker spent three years at Georgia, playing from 1980-82. In that time he lost a total of one regular season game—and zero games in the SEC. That may be the most fantastic record, considering the competition. The Bulldogs won the national championship in 1980 by taking out Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. At 6'1", 225 pounds, with 9.3 speed in the 100-yard dash, his physical skills were a combination rarely seen in this world. He set 10 NCAA and 15 SEC records while in Athens."
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:25 pm to TigerBlazer
quote:Now this is where I think people are being short-sighted. So are you guys saying the teams Alabama played were couldn't load the box because they were expecting Jake Coker to light them up for over 300 yards a passing a game
The difference is everyone knew GA was running the ball with Walker. RBs pretty much we’re the offense. Boxes were stacked. Not the same with modern college offense.
Teams were loading the boxes for D. Henry, Fournette, D. McFadden, M. Ingram, and others so it doesn't matter whether it's modern football or not if you have a difference maker and they know he is gonna get the ball a majority of the game then their gonna load the box. It's a shame that a lot of people use this argument to take away the accomplishments of great players.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:38 pm to qman91
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My main problem with this debate is its to the point where I believe people aren't thinking objectively the first answers they say are Bo or Walker just because that's what was said by pundit to pundit for years and years to the point where people are thinking it's gospel.
I began watching SEC football in 1976. From then to now, Herschel Walker is the best running back I have ever seen play in the SEC.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 3:56 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Gawd I hope this expansion falls through 
Posted on 5/31/22 at 4:10 pm to Sanitarium
Derrick Henry, McFadden both deserve to be in the discussion with Bo and Herschel. Others like Chubb and Faulk deserve to be in the discussion based on their entire careers.
I still think Walker is the best, but Henry is just a physical freak and had so many yards that year. I always thought Bo lacked the most important Ability, AvailAbility.
I still think Walker is the best, but Henry is just a physical freak and had so many yards that year. I always thought Bo lacked the most important Ability, AvailAbility.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 4:57 pm to mbogo
6’3” 240 is an SEC Linebacker. Walker in 80 was bigger than many linebackers in his era. Heck he weighed as much as some DE in his era. And his 40 time from 35 years earlier was faster than Henry’s. The number 1 pick in the draft this year is 2” taller and 40lbs heavier than Henry and ran a faster 40…..as a DE.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 5:48 pm to qman91
Give it up, dude. Herschel was the best CFB RB in history and everybody perhaps outside of your house knows it.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 5:56 pm to qman91
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Now this is where I think people are being short-sighted. So are you guys saying the teams Alabama played were couldn't load the box because they were expecting Jake Coker to light them up for over 300 yards a passing a game
Jake Coker averaged over 26 pass attempts per game.
It only averaged 207 yards per game.
But that leads one to believe that the pass attempts were to keep defenses honest and off of Henry.
In 1980, Georgia attempted over 15 pass attempts per game. And yes, they were to take advantage of defenses guessing "Herschel" on every snap. But that didnt stop Herschel from touching the ball over 25 times per game.
Coker averaged more pass attempts than Walker averaged touches.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 5:59 pm to meansonny
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Jake Coker averaged over 26 pass attempts per game.
It only averaged 207 yards per game.
But that leads one to believe that the pass attempts were to keep defenses honest and off of Henry.
In 1980, Georgia attempted over 15 pass attempts per game. And yes, they were to take advantage of defenses guessing "Herschel" on every snap. But that didnt stop Herschel from touching the ball over 25 times per game.
Coker averaged more pass attempts than Walker averaged touches.
So basically the only way Henry can qualify is if the entire team is built for his success?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 6:05 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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6’3” 240 is an SEC Linebacker. Walker in 80 was bigger than many linebackers in his era. Heck he weighed as much as some DE in his era. And his 40 time from 35 years earlier was faster than Henry’s. The number 1 pick in the draft this year is 2” taller and 40lbs heavier than Henry and ran a faster 40…..as a DE.
Yeah, Walker played against much smaller defenders than he would have faced against a modern team.
Defenders today are bigger, stronger and much more physical than they were in the 80s, and much of the 90's even.
Although lately many have been trading some of that strength for speed, they still haven't gotten down to the size of the average defender of the 80s.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 6:11 pm to Dawgfanman
Walker and Bo... nobody else need apply.
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