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Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:31 pm to KingofTexas
"Texas don't beg"? Really? That's not what the PAC 12 Commish said a few yrs ago when Texas was dying to get out of the Big 12. And if you honestly believe Texas was "assured" of anything, especially something this important to the entire league....this is not the old SWC or the Big 12.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:32 pm to TheBiggestBrother
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I seriously doubt Georgia has played more than five or six games west of the Mississippi River in their entire existence.
Weird doubt... Two times at the Rose Bowl, Arizona State and Colorado on the road since 2000, 3 trips to the Cotton Bowl at least, and the Oahu Bowl in 2000 would definitely be over 6 games without giving any serious examination to regular season road games pre-2000.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:32 pm to Farmer1906
It could also mean more SEC games which would create more frequent rotations.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:34 pm to southpawcock
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Four Divisions:
SEC North
SEC East
SEC West
SEC South
Easy.
the problem with this is how do you determine who plays in the SECCG. A tie-breaker situation with 4 divisions would be very dicey when you'll have inherently more issues with H2H comparisons, etc
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:36 pm to Bwmdx
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False. Pods with 3 perm opponents takes care of that.
Haven't seen a good breakdown of Pods working alongside permanent non-pod opponents. If you've got a link would be interested... I think the reality is that most of the Pod setups end up fairly skewed in difficulty for one side vs the other. If the SEC had gotten the other conferences to sign on the dotted line of the 12 team playoff, I think there would be less over how the sausage gets made of going to the SECCG... honestly, probably some teams that would prefer to not make it given that it might tank their chances of getting selected for the playoffs.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:37 pm to Farmer1906
Great, but let's STOP calling them PODS. They can still be called Divisions. So annoyed by the word POD. Not sure why I'm triggered, but I am.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:38 pm to NYCAuburn
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would need a change of NCAA rules to keep championship game
No, NCAA is not going to have much to say about P5 football any longer. Big12 has a Title game with 10 teams and round robin, 1 and 2 play.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:39 pm to lsufball19
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the problem with this is how do you determine who plays in the SECCG. A tie-breaker situation with 4 divisions would be very dicey when you'll have inherently more issues with H2H comparisons, etc
The SECCG has become a little anticlimactic (still love it, but if we're being honest, it is), and will only continue to be more so if the playoffs eventually expand to 12 as expected. I think it's pretty clear that if you have a direct H2H comparison, easy to determine, if you don't, look at record vs common opponents, and lastly if that's tied then go to something like CFP ranking as an assessment of relative strength.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:40 pm to JKChesterton
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No, NCAA is not going to have much to say about P5 football any longer. Big12 has a Title game with 10 teams and round robin, 1 and 2 play.
Yes they upheld their round robin rule. Thats their key qualifier for championship games. You cant have round robin without some sort of divisions
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:40 pm to JKChesterton
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Big12 has a Title game with 10 teams and round robin, 1 and 2 play.
Pretty sure they had to request the exemption to get the game to continue. With that said, I think 1) the NCAA would be stupid to not grant the exception and 2) if they elected not to, it would only hasten their demise anyway...
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:43 pm to NYCAuburn
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Yes they upheld their round robin rule. Thats their key qualifier for championship games. You cant have round robin without some sort of divisions
True, it was tied to the round robin format. But, the NCAA for P5 football is going to be significantly reformed. I think the SEC will get a non-division format with a Title game where top 2 teams play each other and that game will be for a top 4, likely #1 seed in an expanded playoff.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:46 pm to Farmer1906
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Georgia has still yet to come to Kyle Field and we've been here a decade now.
If you'd ever win the west we'd play you on a neutral field.
But you are right, it appears the only way we'll ever play aTm is if it scheduled during the regular season.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:47 pm to JKChesterton
Why not play a 4 team tourney at the end of the SEC season? Winner goes to the title game. Alliance can do the same. Take the Pac Champ, Big Ten Champ, ACC Champ, and a wild card from that group.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 2:53 pm to NYCAuburn
Is there any doubt that Sankey is going to get whatever he wants?
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:06 pm to TidalSurge1
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Instead of Pods (but similar), I think we'll go to 9 SEC games, 3 permanent opponents (rivals) and rotate the other 12 opponents in 6 schedule slots (playing twice in 4 years). Two teams with best SEC W-L records play in SEC title game.
This is the answer.
Pods are a solution for complying with the old NCAA rule that you could only play a championship game if you split into divisions of 6 or more and played a complete round robin within the division. This rule is not going to be an issue going forward (they made an exception for the Big XII and would do the same for the SEC), so there is no need to go with pods as opposed to eliminating divisions, having 3 permanent opponents, then playing 6 teams one year, and the other 6 the next.
A true pod system won't work for the SEC because there are four games which must be played every year (Bama-UT, Auburn-UGA, Bama-Auburn, and UGA-UF) involving five teams, so you can't ensure these games are played every year merely by adopting four team pods. If the SEC went with pods, they would have to adopt a bastardized version where each team would have a permanent opponent in each of the other 3 pods. As a result, by using pods rather than the 3/6 plan, you only play everyone home and away over a six year span instead of a four year span.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:10 pm to Farmer1906
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Why not play a 4 team tourney at the end of the SEC season? Winner goes to the title game. Alliance can do the same. Take the Pac Champ, Big Ten Champ, ACC Champ, and a wild card from that group.
In theory you could, but are they going to cut out a game. With a current 12 game schedule, that SEC tourney is means 2 teams are playing 2 more games to get to 14. If you have a playoff of 8, that means somebody is playing 17 games (an SEC team that goes to title game, maybe 2 if you have an LSU/Bama, UGA/BAMA situation like 2011 and 2017).
I have been in favor of a 3 team permanent (sort of POD concept) and rotate 6 teams in years 1 and 2, then the other 6 in years 3 and 4. Keep 12 game schedule so teams that have ACC rival OOC games can keep those (UF/FSU; UGA/GA. Tech, UK/Louisville, SCAR/CLemson). 9 game SEC schedule, top 2 teams go to Atlanta for SEC title. In a 12 team expanded playoff, that winner is a top 4 National Seed, and again probably #1.
3 Permanents allows teams to keep historic rival games, So Texas in a new SEC could have OU, Arkansas and Texas A&M for its 3 permanents.
UGA would play Florida, Auburn and say SCAR
Auburn would get Bama, UGA and somebody else, maybe TENN
Bama gets Auburn, TENN and somebody else
LSU I would think would get Ole Miss, Texas A&M and ?, Florida maybe,
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:13 pm to Farmer1906
I agree with the pods. The question is how much rotation happens with the schedule. Do they have additional permanent opponents locked in between pods? Seems like losing LSU v. Alabama yearly is not a money play for the broadcaster.
Will be interesting to see how they manage to get more rotation without losing the moneymaker matchups already on the schedule.
Will be interesting to see how they manage to get more rotation without losing the moneymaker matchups already on the schedule.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:21 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:Assuming they don't play every year, you're swapping that for more Bama-UGA, Bama-UF and LSU-UGA, LSU-Tennessee matchups.
Seems like losing LSU v. Alabama yearly is not a money play for the broadcaster.
But, that's the problem with pods as opposed to 3/6 no division plan. In the 3/6 plan, you'd see those matchups every other year. Because the SEC's pod plan would also involve permanent opponents, you'd only see non-pod or non-permanent opponents once every 3 years.
That's one reason why 3/6 beats pods.
Posted on 8/26/21 at 3:28 pm to twk
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Assuming they don't play every year, you're swapping that for more Bama-UGA, Bama-UF and LSU-UGA, LSU-Tennessee matchups.
But, that's the problem with pods as opposed to 3/6 no division plan. In the 3/6 plan, you'd see those matchups every other year. Because the SEC's pod plan would also involve permanent opponents, you'd only see non-pod or non-permanent opponents once every 3 years.
That's one reason why 3/6 beats pods.
In a 3 permanent 6 game format, you still get LSU/Bama 2 out of every 4 years, and you get Bama/UGA, UGA/Texas, UGA/OU, LSU/Texas, LSU/OU, Bama/Texas, Bama/OU, Texas A&M/FLorida, Texas A&M/UGA, etc, etc, etc. Your inventory of games goes up big time and you manage to keep the Historic rival games that have as long I remember been considered Historic non-negotiable rival games. Thus that meet that definition are
Bama/Auburn
Auburn/UGA
Florida/UGA
Bama/TENN
In a new 16 team SEC, those added to the list above would be
Texas A&M/Texas
Texas/OU
I would also add to the list in-state SEC games that should be maintained
Ole Miss/Miss. State (Egg Bowl)
TENN/Vandy (from TENN perspective, Nashville is growing like crazy and its HS football is getting much better, IF I am TENN I want to go play in Nashville every other year to ensure recruiting presence there)
So those games above are maintained in a 3 game permanent and rotate 6 and 6, years 1 and 2, then 3 and 4, then in year 5 back to the teams you played in years 1 and 2.
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